jihad style school acceptable to the US gov't!!!
01-Oct-2007, 02:23 PM
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jihad style school acceptable to the US gov't!!!
01-Oct-2007, 02:33 PM
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^^ meh - that's like the Cadets here - so I guess by your measure I went to canadian 'jihad' style school cuz I got to fire weapons, learn tracking, go hiking with a pack, navigation, survival, etc etc...
The article did raise some interesting questions but they weren't sourced so it could simply be speculation... I would like to know more but perhaps from someone that's thoroughly investigated it...
The article did raise some interesting questions but they weren't sourced so it could simply be speculation... I would like to know more but perhaps from someone that's thoroughly investigated it...
01-Oct-2007, 02:40 PM
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The opening para...
"If you are a young Muslim American and head off to the Middle East for a spell in a fundamentalist “madrassa,” or religious school, Homeland Security will probably greet you at the airport when you return. But if you are an American Jew and you join hundreds of teenagers from Europe and Mexico for an eight-week training course run by the Israel Defense Forces, you can post your picture wearing an Israeli army uniform and holding an automatic weapon on MySpace"
spells out the problem.
"If you are a young Muslim American and head off to the Middle East for a spell in a fundamentalist “madrassa,” or religious school, Homeland Security will probably greet you at the airport when you return. But if you are an American Jew and you join hundreds of teenagers from Europe and Mexico for an eight-week training course run by the Israel Defense Forces, you can post your picture wearing an Israeli army uniform and holding an automatic weapon on MySpace"
spells out the problem.
01-Oct-2007, 02:50 PM
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Ok but what is the issue you guys have here... that they're going to Army training? or that it's Israeli army training?
because lots of ppl go to army training, check out europe where it used to be (and in some countries still is) mandatory for all men to go to a year or two of army training when they turn 18. If you're going to condemn that make sure you do it equally across the board.
Going to army training is more legit than going to a 'jihad style' camp somewhere in afghanistan or whever they are now...
because lots of ppl go to army training, check out europe where it used to be (and in some countries still is) mandatory for all men to go to a year or two of army training when they turn 18. If you're going to condemn that make sure you do it equally across the board.
Going to army training is more legit than going to a 'jihad style' camp somewhere in afghanistan or whever they are now...
01-Oct-2007, 02:55 PM
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Ok but what is the issue you guys have here... that they're going to Army training? or that it's Israeli army training?
because lots of ppl go to army training, check out europe where it used to be (and in some countries still is) mandatory for all men to go to a year or two of army training when they turn 18. If you're going to condemn that make sure you do it equally across the board.
Going to army training is more legit than going to a 'jihad style' camp somewhere in afghanistan or whever they are now...
because lots of ppl go to army training, check out europe where it used to be (and in some countries still is) mandatory for all men to go to a year or two of army training when they turn 18. If you're going to condemn that make sure you do it equally across the board.
Going to army training is more legit than going to a 'jihad style' camp somewhere in afghanistan or whever they are now...
01-Oct-2007, 03:15 PM
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ahh good answer - a country's army vs a radical group of extremists... that's definitely something that is equal
if a whole country agrees with something that's different then when a few people think they should take matters into their own hands
Probably not because he's not Jewish and it's a Jewish army. Just like in Canada they can choose who gets into the Canadian Army. Living within the physical boundaries of an area doesn't mean you get to be part of the army.
if a whole country agrees with something that's different then when a few people think they should take matters into their own hands
Probably not because he's not Jewish and it's a Jewish army. Just like in Canada they can choose who gets into the Canadian Army. Living within the physical boundaries of an area doesn't mean you get to be part of the army.
01-Oct-2007, 03:25 PM
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ahh good answer - a country's army vs a radical group of extremists... that's definitely something that is equal
if a whole country agrees with something that's different then when a few people think they should take matters into their own hands
Probably not because he's not Jewish and it's a Jewish army. Just like in Canada they can choose who gets into the Canadian Army. Living within the physical boundaries of an area doesn't mean you get to be part of the army.
if a whole country agrees with something that's different then when a few people think they should take matters into their own hands
Probably not because he's not Jewish and it's a Jewish army. Just like in Canada they can choose who gets into the Canadian Army. Living within the physical boundaries of an area doesn't mean you get to be part of the army.
01-Oct-2007, 04:11 PM
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It's a training camp run by the Israeli Defense Forces that's their army.
It isn't army offer, it's training. Maybe they'll be conscripted one day - it's been happening for years. Training isn't the issue, and if it is it shouldn't be because EVERY COUNTRY DOES IT although the forms may differ from place to place. Have you ever heard of the reserves?
The proof comes from the fact that the extremists camps (you calling them arab is incorrect because not all arabs are extremists) are in hiding and teach kids how to make bombs and shoot people. If they were rightly justified in training them that way why do they have to hide out in the desert?
It isn't army offer, it's training. Maybe they'll be conscripted one day - it's been happening for years. Training isn't the issue, and if it is it shouldn't be because EVERY COUNTRY DOES IT although the forms may differ from place to place. Have you ever heard of the reserves?
The proof comes from the fact that the extremists camps (you calling them arab is incorrect because not all arabs are extremists) are in hiding and teach kids how to make bombs and shoot people. If they were rightly justified in training them that way why do they have to hide out in the desert?
01-Oct-2007, 04:19 PM
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^^ to your last para...
israeli defence ops are no better than any jihad camp you can talk about. they have as much innocent civilian blood on their hands as possible. dont you know that its official israeli army policy to mark their high ranking palestenian enemies for death and openly talk about it to the media....lets not talk of any globally applicable law here when it comes to war.
it just doesnt end there.....you are talking about kids throwing rocks vs. soldiers firing mortar rounds and automatic gunfire.
i wish you can personally go and visit one of the refugee camps (areas that are taken over by the israeli army by force) in palestine and see the living conditions with your very own eyes....then you should perhaps ask the question....is the still wrong for these people to go out of their mind and blow themselves up against the occupier?????
israeli defence ops are no better than any jihad camp you can talk about. they have as much innocent civilian blood on their hands as possible. dont you know that its official israeli army policy to mark their high ranking palestenian enemies for death and openly talk about it to the media....lets not talk of any globally applicable law here when it comes to war.
it just doesnt end there.....you are talking about kids throwing rocks vs. soldiers firing mortar rounds and automatic gunfire.
i wish you can personally go and visit one of the refugee camps (areas that are taken over by the israeli army by force) in palestine and see the living conditions with your very own eyes....then you should perhaps ask the question....is the still wrong for these people to go out of their mind and blow themselves up against the occupier?????
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01-Oct-2007, 06:00 PM
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kids throwing rocks? that's what they do? wow can't believe they have to go to a camp for weeks/months to learn how to throw rocks.
I agree that it goes both ways, but there is still a difference. If people were attending Palestinian army camps I wouldn't have a problem with it...
you can't deny that the things go both ways in that area of the world, no one is completely innocent
I agree that it goes both ways, but there is still a difference. If people were attending Palestinian army camps I wouldn't have a problem with it...
you can't deny that the things go both ways in that area of the world, no one is completely innocent
01-Oct-2007, 07:41 PM
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why are jews so jewish? anyone know? like why are they such a cheap, petty, dirty people? *curious* like I'm part jewish, but I fortunately didn't grow up jew so I just don't know.
02-Oct-2007, 09:40 AM
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^^ nope, it's not a human rights violation unless they have a Charter like we have here in Canada.
And really who knows maybe they could, but how many Palestinians would want to become citizens of Israel?
And really who knows maybe they could, but how many Palestinians would want to become citizens of Israel?
02-Oct-2007, 09:52 AM
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if there was a true democratic government with equal rights for humans then a lot. that's what iran is suggesting. let people in and let them have an equal vote.
if they don't have a charter it's not a human rights issues? that's pretty ridiculous.
so what's the problem with china, cuba, or what was the issue with saddam? They just have to make sure they don't have a charter, and then it should be acceptable by the international community?
c'mon....
it's weird... egypt wanted the US to give aid to them in the euro instead of US dollars and the US told them to **** off (rightfully so), but israel asked for the same thing, and the US will be supplying them in euros... make sense?
if they don't have a charter it's not a human rights issues? that's pretty ridiculous.
so what's the problem with china, cuba, or what was the issue with saddam? They just have to make sure they don't have a charter, and then it should be acceptable by the international community?
c'mon....
it's weird... egypt wanted the US to give aid to them in the euro instead of US dollars and the US told them to **** off (rightfully so), but israel asked for the same thing, and the US will be supplying them in euros... make sense?
02-Oct-2007, 10:19 AM
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Ok but what is the issue you guys have here... that they're going to Army training? or that it's Israeli army training?
because lots of ppl go to army training, check out europe where it used to be (and in some countries still is) mandatory for all men to go to a year or two of army training when they turn 18. If you're going to condemn that make sure you do it equally across the board.
Going to army training is more legit than going to a 'jihad style' camp somewhere in afghanistan or whever they are now...
because lots of ppl go to army training, check out europe where it used to be (and in some countries still is) mandatory for all men to go to a year or two of army training when they turn 18. If you're going to condemn that make sure you do it equally across the board.
Going to army training is more legit than going to a 'jihad style' camp somewhere in afghanistan or whever they are now...
Because you seem to be defending the program whereas everyone else seems to think it's a bad idea.
02-Oct-2007, 10:52 AM
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if there was a true democratic government with equal rights for humans then a lot. that's what iran is suggesting. let people in and let them have an equal vote.
if they don't have a charter it's not a human rights issues? that's pretty ridiculous.
so what's the problem with china, cuba, or what was the issue with saddam? They just have to make sure they don't have a charter, and then it should be acceptable by the international community?
c'mon....
it's weird... egypt wanted the US to give aid to them in the euro instead of US dollars and the US told them to **** off (rightfully so), but israel asked for the same thing, and the US will be supplying them in euros... make sense?
if they don't have a charter it's not a human rights issues? that's pretty ridiculous.
so what's the problem with china, cuba, or what was the issue with saddam? They just have to make sure they don't have a charter, and then it should be acceptable by the international community?
c'mon....
it's weird... egypt wanted the US to give aid to them in the euro instead of US dollars and the US told them to **** off (rightfully so), but israel asked for the same thing, and the US will be supplying them in euros... make sense?
Do you honestly believe whether or not they allow non-jews into their army is comparable to China and Cuba or even Saddam? How about North Korea, or Burma/Myanmar (just referencing it cuz it's a hot topic as of late) and what about Darfur?
Nope I haven't been, I'm not even remotely jewish. It's just my opinion. Just because 'everyone else' (Bruce and Salman) think it's a bad idea doesn't mean I'm not entitled to my own opinion. Nor does it mean that I'm right and they're wrong or vice versa. It's just a discussion one doesn't have to be affiliated or tied to either side to hold an opinion...
02-Oct-2007, 11:35 AM
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I think they should allow non-jews to enlist in this camp.....if this camp is as legit as they want it to seem, there should be no problem allowing non-jews to partake in the military training; after all, Israel is renowned for its military force
