imported_loudsubz

I heard there is someone trying to change this on the radio today... when it comes to smoking laws for adults and how smokers don't have a say in it..

to be honest i think smoking is stupid and trying to get them to stop smoking is good and no i dont think smokers should have a say when it comes to laws about smoking..

your take?

cibs

I agree, if it was something that didn't affect other people it'd be fine, like when ppl are smoking outdoors in an open area i don't have a problem with it (i.e. TCC meets) but like indoors at a restaurant and stuff i don't want to breathe that stuff in when i'm an enclosed area like that. We all know smoking is bad for you, and i know people keep smoking for various reasons which is fine, we're all grown ups and you can make whatever decision you think is right for you, as long as it doesn't impose your 'beliefs' (for lack of a better word) and their consequences on me

anyone else?

punkindrublic

i think they should just ban the production of cigarettes all together... problem solved

although i guess that would just open the door for "grow operations" for tobacco... maybe whoever is actually doing this could save money running two products at once? lol

imported_teflon

If you've ever had to work in a bar and don't smoke you really appreciate this law.

I hear a lot of "if you don't like the smoke don't work here".

That's a load of crap, I have no choice, my skill set means I have to work in a bar.

You would never hear someone say "if you think this job is too dangerous go work somewhere else".

I'm open for debate on how much damage smoking does to the health system. For instance if we ban smoking because it costs the system too much then we should ban all types of dangerous sports as well.

But in public spaces it should not be allowed, period.

Nova_Dust

I agree that they should have their own opinions on issues like this. Having a smoking section in a restaurant is legit and I do not see what the matter is anyway. You can't smell it in non-smoking section anyway.

When I used to smoke, I agree and respect for those who do not smoke and I will only smoke at the places that allow me to smoke publically.

Now I quit, I also respect those who smoke that I will not tell them to put their cigarette out, I simply walk away. To me, there are 100 times more breathable areas out there so there is no need to be rude and tell them to put their butts away. If they smoke in a non-smoking area (i.e. the new Niagara casino, where smoking and non-smoking is only a sign away), big deal. I don't believe a single inhale of 2nd smoke will kill me when I am already breathing in exhaust gases and what not that is in the air everyday.

If we want to talk about bad air, then why are we still driving? Haven't we all seen enough signs on TTC buses telling us to take the rocket? To reduce air pollution? I doubt cigarette will make that hole up in the sky any larger than the exhausts gases coming from our cars.

Everything has 2 sides to it. You have smokers, then you have non-smokers. You have your government, then you have your opposing party. There is no right or wrong, there is only majority over minority.

Cantonagod

I personally am sick and tired of being treated worse than a lepar because I smoke.
For the most part I am a considerate smoker, I don't care about smoking in restaurants, but not in bars/clubs is ridiculous.
It is always non smokers that make the rules for smokers and much like everything else the pendulum has swung to far the other way. I remember when you could smoke in malls and pretty everywhere else, which is not right for everyone, but now I can't smoke anywhere but outside and a certain distance from any building.
So I think smokers should have a say in some of the stupid legislation that our backwards moronic government tries to introduce.

imported_Syphon

Im very opinionated on the subject of smoking. It killed my father at the age of 36. He was diagnosed with cancer when he was 31, and lived for 5 years with treatment after treatment and several operations.

Because of it hitting so close to me, I hate smoking and wish it would be banned, but thats because I lost my father when I was only 9..

I do understand how smokers would not appreciate this and want their rights too.

The Prophet

as a smoker myself, i believe that i have a choice...

but, i do not smoke indoors in public areas, and i also wont smoke in my car if my passenger is a non-smoker and doesnt appreciate it...

but i firmly believe that i have a choice to smoke... but i am considerate for non smokers

imported_Transformer Guy

If they ever do ban the production of ciggarettes (which will be never), expect an enourmous tax increase to make up for all the money that is lost from tobacco revenue

Cynikal.Mindset

smoking = smoke breaks = not having to work

I'm all for that, I dont smoke but I take smoke breaks

imported_complex

Yes, but you see thats kind of a "contradiction" because if it were the smokers making the rules for the smokers than obviously the "pendulum" would be swinging way too far the other way, right? If you care to smoke then take it outside where no one else has to breathe in the toxic gases, Bars/clubs should be no different, respect others around you and maybe you will get some respect back!

imported_Cablerat

Bartenders are 10 times more likely to get lung cancer..

imported_kane2k

So you're saying it would be ridiculous for smokers to make the rules about smoking without consulting non-smokers. Exactly the reverse happened though and that is just as dumb.

I mostly quit smoking when the bar ban came into effect. Know what else I quit doing? Going to bars. It's great, and something like that had to be done, but what happened to people making up their own minds. If bar owners and patrons had actually wanted smoke free environments, then there would have been more Smokeless Joe's bars around the city.

Most bars that I walked into on a weeknight before the ban were filled with smokers. Now they're just empty. So the non-smokers who, in general, were not bar patrons, got to decide on behalf of everyone. That's bull****.

Here's my new cause, and if you don't agree with what I wrote above, then you should agree with this. I hardly ever go to casinos and I don't really gamble, but I think that gambling is horrible and ruins peoples lives. Just having slot machines opens patrons and employees of casinos up to the risk of gambling. We should ban gambling in casinos and remove all the slot machines and game tables from the casinos in order to protect people from their own decisions.

The Prophet

well i have to agree that the bars are now alot less full

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

I feel like a diseased dog cuz I'm not welcome anywhere when I'm out with my 25 smokey friends haha

I think it's ghay to not smoke at a bar... it's what bars are for. And if your skill set is to work at a bar, then you should also be able to take the smoke, or change professions. Better yet, if this keeps up, I hope most bars just close down, and you'll be out of work My friend just lost her bar, cuz on the day the law went into effect, her business dropped 50%, and where she's at, that meant she had to close the bar.

Heck, let's make drinking outside of your home also illegal... no drinking in any restaurants, bars, pool halls, clubs, or public places. Cuz drunk ppl gotta get home somehow, and it's forseeable that they'll drink and drive, in the same manner it's forseeable that my cigarette will kill the bartender.

imported_Transformer Guy

^ Well Bruno, thank god Windsor doesnt have a smoking ban in bars

Nova_Dust

Back in the 70's, you can smoke any and everywhere.

The only airlines that allow smoking are Air France and Air Nippon Airline (and other Japanese airlines). You smoke in the back of the plane (for Air France) behind a curtain, and there can be only 4 smokers at one time. Hell it was great, I enjoyed myself back when I was aboarded on one back in the days.

This is exactly the same concept, as people are sueing McDonald for making them fat. God damn it I can't believe how stupid people become when it comes to responsbilities. McDonald only advertised, but never force you to shovel down their burgers, REGARDLESS how many trans fat and whatnot are in their burgers.

As Bruno stated, some bar owners are forced to close down their business because smoking crowd don't feel like going there anymore, and I was one of them when the law got passed years ago.

Stupid by-law = less patrons = no business = business close = no jobs = welfare

But why? I believe having different sections in indoor public environment is perfect reasonable.

GinoLicious

Smoking is stupid, but then again these people are addicted and need it. They go nuts without them. As for me im a causal smoker, not addicted, just do it when it feels good.

JetStorm

personally I hate smoking, I have no problem with people that smoke and their choice is fine with me. However, I don't think it's right that I should have to eat at a place where the air is so unclean.

I know...everyone's first reaction is always, "then don't eat there" and to them I say, why is it that I should forgo the right to eat out just because I'm not down with chewing on TAR and carbon monichside(eee spelling?). Although I don't agree with smoking in restauraunts I don't think it was right to ban it in place's like bars and clubs. These settings were built around smoking and that's why I really didn't go that much in the first place. most clubs are also tall enough and well ventelated enough(more so than restaurants) that it was mildly bearable.

As for the law. aside from the above points I think it was great move. I agree that there are 2 sides to the story and both sides have valid points but I don't think it was the "non-smokers" who decided this. I think it's kinda common sense. Although very even when it comes to opinion, non-smokers have a very big weight on their side.......SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU!!!! SMOKING KILLS PEOPLE!!! this fact alone should be the deciding factor


This is IMO

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

alcohol is also bad for you cuz it can cause liver diseases, etc. should we ban drinking too??

why don't we ban mcdonalds and other fast food too while we're at it? I mean, that causes heart attacks too...

and let's not stop there, aspertame causes cancer, so let's ban all diet pop.