imported_Bruce Fee

my brother got hired at a job.. they were looking for non-asians because their whole staff was asian and they felt that it might alienate everyone else or something.

I am 100% against affirmative action... hiring a mix of people.. as I believe it should be based on the individual...

All firefighters for example should be tested under the exact same conditions. Women are given easier physical tests.. when your jog is to climb ladders, axe walls, and carry people out, you should be looking for a mix of the community to make idiots happy... you need the best people for the job...

I just find it funny that affirmative action has gone towards hiring white people in Toronto.

imported_loudsubz

me2

screw the political issue

if i was hiring software developers for my company, and it happend to be that all the chinese who applied were excellent then I would hire them on, fair and sqaure. If it happend to be all white people who were the best I would hire them, not about color or race

spracingsports

id hire one of every race.... or id get sued down here....

imported_gatherer

hell better for me

I do agree with you about hiring based on the individual, maybe racism will disappear to the point where it can be done that way

J

have you been watching American History X lately

jdmtunerz

Yea thats how the real world works

spracingsports

all everyone argues about is "we want equal rights" "dont let race be involved" "end racism"..... but they enact these stupid 'programs'...

imported_Dawson

race, sex and religon shouldnt matter everyone appling for a job like a firefighter should be tested equally cause i know that i wouldnt want some under weight not too strong person trying to drag me outta a building when soem one that is qualified to get me could

just my 2 cents

J

everyone uses firefighting as an example....stop it, lol

a girl can carry as much as a guy can when your being pulled out of a building...because your not getting carried out your getting dragged out, thats the way its done, not over the shoulder Kurt Russell stlye from Backdraft
just like there are small cops on the police force, yeah you might be bigger than them but i bet the can still take most people down.....cause they are trained to do it

imported_climax

Just who hire who is best for the job. Who cares about race? Who ever most qualifies the most should get the job.

imported_Bruce Fee

i bet i can take down most female cops no problem.

one allegedly had a shotgun stolen from her some months back.

As a business owner, I would not whatever the employee was about on his or her off time. If my salesman got me amazing results, I wouldn't care if he was a cross-dressing black panther zionist skinhead.

I just think it's ridiculous to force people to hire a certain group.

cibs

if what you're saying is true then why are there different physical standards for women than for men when it comes to testing for the firefighters??

the reason most ppl use this as their arugment is because that is one of the landmark cases in canadian case law that started the change for what in reality is 'unequal' hiring standards...

i have no problem with women doing everything that men do, and vice versa, but if a woman can't carry the required load to be a firefighter i think it's a joke that we will change the standards just for women. just like if a woman does something well and a man can't perform that skill/task to standard why should we change the rules for the men? that'd never happen

how about this as an example, i'm a lifeguard and NLS examiner which means i can examine, certify and train lifeguards. Although i'm only a student i take my job pretty seriously especially when it comes to certifying other lifeguards, now lots of ppl try to keep their lifeguarding qualifications even when they've graduated university/college had 5 kids etc, what usually happens is that these people are not as fit as the typical lifeguard late teens early 20's... sometimes these people want special consideration because of their age. So do you think we should give them special consideration because they're older or they're a woman and have given birth to 4 kids when ultimatley it could result in them being unable to effectivley save someone's life. ?

imported_JookSingKid

Thats a big myth about the testing for women in firefighting.

I've been working at joining the Fire Service and this is how it works more or less depending on the city.

1) Written Test
2) Physical Testing
3) Interview

Before race or gender comes into question, the candidate must pass both the written and physical tests.

The only way it can become a factor is during the interview, because that is the first time they see you in person.

The Fire Service certainly encourages visible-minorities to apply, the reason? Because the Fire Service is represenative of the municipal government and the community that they serve. In Mississauga 1670 people applied at the last recruitment hire, when I went to write the exam I didn't more than 30 minorities out of the 1670 people. Being a visible minority is in now way a ticket to get hired, you gotta be able to do the job.

Gallagher

Its not really about race these days. As long as the company can prove that the other applicant isn't as qualified as the one you hired, then you are ok.

Gov't just doesn't want companies hiring chinese ppl for computers because they are deemed to know alot, but then what if a really smart white/black dude walks in the door that can outperform em all, and knows he can but the company hires the chinese ppl due to the other myth. Thats where the gov't steps in.


Also, if you were hiring, and a person in a wheelchair and a person walking came in to apply for a job, you would have a bias towards the guy in a wheelchair because it doesn't look like he can do that job, but in fact, he is much better than the other guy....



Thats my 2 cents from HR class

imported_Dawson

thats what im saying if your qualified to do the job you should be elegable for it thats all im saying about that shouldnt have to bend the rules because of certain cercumstances


this is a touchy subject but im NOT a womanizer or raciest

imported_bevboyy

Now - what is the criteria for being a visible minority nowadays? As far as I see it looks like people of caucasian are becoming the new visible minority. Wouldn't be ironic if being white becomes a liability than an asset...or maybe it already has...

Thank goodness I'm eurasian...

imported_corcoran_chris

so why are you so angry that they are looking for a non asain? are you pissed because they wont hire you becasue your asain? because your asain and your asain brother now have to mingle with an "outside" i.e. a white person working there...the black sheep of that workplace?


I dont see your problem here, if I ( me being white ) made a post how there was an idian/asain/black/hispanic guy hired at my workplace...and I felt it was wrong because I thougth he was hired becasue of his race...you would call me a **** skinhead for not judging him based on his qualifications.


what makes you think that workplace will have ANY lowered expectations from those "white people" they interview compared to the asains they hire....do you think they will have an easier time at the interview? recieve special treatment? not at all.


canada is a multiculteral country...there is no minority anymore...there are people off the boat everywhere you turn...so if CANADA takes in people with the logic of having a ****** out society of different races and nationalities...then why is it so wrong for that workplace to have the same logic???


your attitude my friend is like the government saying we should not have accept your family from * insert country here * because we believe our white canadians can provide the same for our contry as you could do...so why waste our time taking you in.


yes..my post was to the point and blunt as I was offended by you call me a "white person" ...

imported_gatherer

Chris,

it's asian. not asain

Also curious here, have you been outside Ontario and quebec? have seen the country outside of the Windsor Montreal corridor and Vancouver?

I took a trip in 2003, for the most part White People are still very much a majority in rural and interior Canada.

Anyways with that said I do say we should get rid of Minority laws, why? Because it doesn't make sense, Canada wants to promote equal rights so it's time to get rid of visable minority laws. Did you know that these Laws allow employers to track whether they are hiring visable minorities? it's pathetic but it's allowed. we need to scrap laws like this.

imported_JookSingKid

The failure in this view point you're looking at it as White people VS Non-white people.

I resent the idea of being thought of as just "Non-white"

The reality is that there are more white people than asians or blacks or arabs or hispanics.... etc.

As for the promotion of equality... If anyone wants to take a trip to the court house, you'll see so many minorities there, but the judge will be white, the lawyers will be white, the police will be white.... Is that equality?

imported_Bruce Fee

it's all white cops in the courts, cause they're the ******.