2008 - the fix is in...
16-Jun-2006, 11:53 AM
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2008 - the fix is in...
In 2000, Jeb Bush and Katharine Harris got a company called ChoicePoint to purge voter rolls in Florida. The company was paid several million dollars and part of the reason they were paid so much money was to ensure that only genuine criminals were purged from the rolls.
However, in a secret memo, the company TOOK OUT the safeguards in a deliberate attempt to make the purge as wide as possible. If you had the same name as, or even a similar name to a convicted criminal, you were unable to vote.
In 2004, the election was stolen using a backdoor into the software of voting machines that leave no paper trail. These machines, made by a handful of companies with strong connections to the Republican party, were installed across the country in an attempt, supposedly, to ensure that 'anomalies' like the hanging chads fiasco did not recur. The Act concerned, in a wonderful Orwellian use of language, was called the Help America Vote Act. In early trials of the new paperless voting machines (no paper, no recount, remember), for the first time, there were discrepancies between the exit polls and the evental results. These were written off by compliant media as no more than unusual.
Now Greg Palast, who broke the Choicepoint story - at least outside the US where he's well-known and respected as an investigative reporter - has shown how the 2008 election will be rigged and brought new facts to light about the '04 election.
He has already revealed the real story behind the phone tapping scandal, and now in this interview he gives details of a new and even more blatant vote-rigging scandal.
However, in a secret memo, the company TOOK OUT the safeguards in a deliberate attempt to make the purge as wide as possible. If you had the same name as, or even a similar name to a convicted criminal, you were unable to vote.
In 2004, the election was stolen using a backdoor into the software of voting machines that leave no paper trail. These machines, made by a handful of companies with strong connections to the Republican party, were installed across the country in an attempt, supposedly, to ensure that 'anomalies' like the hanging chads fiasco did not recur. The Act concerned, in a wonderful Orwellian use of language, was called the Help America Vote Act. In early trials of the new paperless voting machines (no paper, no recount, remember), for the first time, there were discrepancies between the exit polls and the evental results. These were written off by compliant media as no more than unusual.
Now Greg Palast, who broke the Choicepoint story - at least outside the US where he's well-known and respected as an investigative reporter - has shown how the 2008 election will be rigged and brought new facts to light about the '04 election.
He has already revealed the real story behind the phone tapping scandal, and now in this interview he gives details of a new and even more blatant vote-rigging scandal.
AMY GOODMAN: You broke this on BBC.
GREG PALAST: Yeah, I broke this on BBC, and to get in the United States, we got Michael Moore to put on a chicken suit and report it here as a joke... By the way, all of these stories are stories developed out of BBC and Guardian that basically are blacked out, except for here on Democracy Now! That's very important, because these are the stories that they don't want you to have for good reason... I then followed up with 2004. Now, it’s accepted 2000 pretty much was fixed. Well, there’s a chapter, “Kerry won.” 2004 was fixed. And the way it was done is that 3.6 million votes were cast and never counted in the United States. That's very important to know.
AMY GOODMAN: Say the number again.
GREG PALAST: 3.6 million ballots cast, never counted. And that's because they call these spoiled votes or rejected provisional ballots, 1.9 million so-called provisional ballots, and then, most of those don't get counted. And so, whose votes don't get counted? If it was random, it wouldn’t matter. In other words, if these were votes where the machine doesn't record it properly, hanging chads, extra marks on a paper ballot, you had the wrong address on your absentee ballot, etc.
3m ballots. Whose ballots? If you're a black person, the chance your ballot will be technically invalidated is 900% higher than if you're a white voter. Hispanic voter, 500% higher than if you're a white voter. Native Americans, it’s like 2,000% higher than if you're a white voter. The overwhelming majority -- and I went to the state of New Mexico, which supposedly Bush won by 5,000 votes, 89% of the ballots were cast out of minority precincts that were thrown away. Kerry won New Mexico. You go into the dumpster, and it’s black votes, 155,000 black votes that were chucked away in Ohio. Kerry won those votes. He won Ohio.
AMY GOODMAN: ’08?
GREG PALAST: And ‘08, so what's happening is there is no fix of the system. In other words, just like black folk get bad schools and bad hospitals, they get the bad voting machines, which are going to kill those votes... one of the things I discovered is the Republican Party has something called “caging lists,” which came to our -- you know, ... the way the Yes Men capture material by using false websites, so through a false website we were able to capture Republican Party internal missives, through georgebush.org.
And so, what happened was is that they sent us ... lists of literally tens of thousands of names of voters and addresses. We were wondering what the heck this was. It turns out these were almost all African American voters, who they were prepared to challenge in 2004, and they did, to say that these people shouldn't vote, because their addresses are suspect. And you'll see in the book that in the lists of thousands of black voters that they were challenging over their address were thousands of black soldiers who were sent to Iraq; go to Baghdad, and the Republican Party challenges your vote.
And the next thing that they’re going after is the Hispanic vote. So when we saw 2m votes cast/not counted in 2000, nearly 4 votes cast/not counted in 2004, you're going see that number massively increase in 2008.
GREG PALAST: Yeah, I broke this on BBC, and to get in the United States, we got Michael Moore to put on a chicken suit and report it here as a joke... By the way, all of these stories are stories developed out of BBC and Guardian that basically are blacked out, except for here on Democracy Now! That's very important, because these are the stories that they don't want you to have for good reason... I then followed up with 2004. Now, it’s accepted 2000 pretty much was fixed. Well, there’s a chapter, “Kerry won.” 2004 was fixed. And the way it was done is that 3.6 million votes were cast and never counted in the United States. That's very important to know.
AMY GOODMAN: Say the number again.
GREG PALAST: 3.6 million ballots cast, never counted. And that's because they call these spoiled votes or rejected provisional ballots, 1.9 million so-called provisional ballots, and then, most of those don't get counted. And so, whose votes don't get counted? If it was random, it wouldn’t matter. In other words, if these were votes where the machine doesn't record it properly, hanging chads, extra marks on a paper ballot, you had the wrong address on your absentee ballot, etc.
3m ballots. Whose ballots? If you're a black person, the chance your ballot will be technically invalidated is 900% higher than if you're a white voter. Hispanic voter, 500% higher than if you're a white voter. Native Americans, it’s like 2,000% higher than if you're a white voter. The overwhelming majority -- and I went to the state of New Mexico, which supposedly Bush won by 5,000 votes, 89% of the ballots were cast out of minority precincts that were thrown away. Kerry won New Mexico. You go into the dumpster, and it’s black votes, 155,000 black votes that were chucked away in Ohio. Kerry won those votes. He won Ohio.
AMY GOODMAN: ’08?
GREG PALAST: And ‘08, so what's happening is there is no fix of the system. In other words, just like black folk get bad schools and bad hospitals, they get the bad voting machines, which are going to kill those votes... one of the things I discovered is the Republican Party has something called “caging lists,” which came to our -- you know, ... the way the Yes Men capture material by using false websites, so through a false website we were able to capture Republican Party internal missives, through georgebush.org.
And so, what happened was is that they sent us ... lists of literally tens of thousands of names of voters and addresses. We were wondering what the heck this was. It turns out these were almost all African American voters, who they were prepared to challenge in 2004, and they did, to say that these people shouldn't vote, because their addresses are suspect. And you'll see in the book that in the lists of thousands of black voters that they were challenging over their address were thousands of black soldiers who were sent to Iraq; go to Baghdad, and the Republican Party challenges your vote.
And the next thing that they’re going after is the Hispanic vote. So when we saw 2m votes cast/not counted in 2000, nearly 4 votes cast/not counted in 2004, you're going see that number massively increase in 2008.
16-Jun-2006, 01:49 PM
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So why exactly do you post these random threads full of information that you obviously "borrowed" from somewhere? You certainly dind't come up with any of it yourself.
No one really cares about all this political crap you are plastering all over TCC. Sure people are responding, but it's the middle of the day and there are lots of post *****'s on TCC with nothing better to do.
Maybe you are mistaken, but this is an automotive based board, not a Poli-Sci one. Is this the same type of behaviour that lead to your being banned from all of the BMW boards?
No one really cares about all this political crap you are plastering all over TCC. Sure people are responding, but it's the middle of the day and there are lots of post *****'s on TCC with nothing better to do.
Maybe you are mistaken, but this is an automotive based board, not a Poli-Sci one. Is this the same type of behaviour that lead to your being banned from all of the BMW boards?
16-Jun-2006, 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by DumbasSi
So why exactly do you post these random threads full of information that you obviously "borrowed" from somewhere? You certainly dind't come up with any of it yourself.
No one really cares about all this political crap you are plastering all over TCC. Sure people are responding, but it's the middle of the day and there are lots of post *****'s on TCC with nothing better to do.
Maybe you are mistaken, but this is an automotive based board, not a Poli-Sci one. Is this the same type of behaviour that lead to your being banned from all of the BMW boards?
So why exactly do you post these random threads full of information that you obviously "borrowed" from somewhere? You certainly dind't come up with any of it yourself.
No one really cares about all this political crap you are plastering all over TCC. Sure people are responding, but it's the middle of the day and there are lots of post *****'s on TCC with nothing better to do.
Maybe you are mistaken, but this is an automotive based board, not a Poli-Sci one. Is this the same type of behaviour that lead to your being banned from all of the BMW boards?
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he has a point .. no wonder the other boards kicked u to the curb .. at least make the threads intresting .. i HATE politics .. sheesh ..
16-Jun-2006, 01:52 PM
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I thought this was an off-topic section, ie non-car related. Where else am I to post this?
16-Jun-2006, 01:57 PM
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What is your real reason coming to this board? No one else will take you? You certainly haven't been keeping many friends here by being abraisive with everyone that responds in your threads, you have admitted to being kicked off of every BMW Board in exsistance? You just like pissing people off or you just bored and like entaganizing as many people as possible?
16-Jun-2006, 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Double_B
What is your real reason coming to this board? No one else will take you? You certainly haven't been keeping many friends here by being abraisive with everyone that responds in your threads, you have admitted to being kicked off of every BMW Board in exsistance? You just like pissing people off or you just bored and like entaganizing as many people as possible?
What is your real reason coming to this board? No one else will take you? You certainly haven't been keeping many friends here by being abraisive with everyone that responds in your threads, you have admitted to being kicked off of every BMW Board in exsistance? You just like pissing people off or you just bored and like entaganizing as many people as possible?
16-Jun-2006, 02:05 PM
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I think bruce was right, you need more drugs...
16-Jun-2006, 02:07 PM
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just a matter of time for him when this board is going to be similar to the ones that he got banned from...
16-Jun-2006, 02:10 PM
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I'm here to learn about cars, attend meets,e tc.. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, it's hard to project sarcasm/faceceousness over the innernet
16-Jun-2006, 02:13 PM
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i doubt your attempt at passing your posts off as sarcasm will get back any credibility for you
16-Jun-2006, 02:15 PM
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hey, this guy isn't political.. he's mentally ill.
anyone see Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson...?
I personally think we should make josie stalin a moderator.
anyone see Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson...?
I personally think we should make josie stalin a moderator.
16-Jun-2006, 02:15 PM
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well, most aren't sarcasm, but I don't intend to **** people off or offend anyone, but I am what I am
16-Jun-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by jstalin
but I am what I am
but I am what I am
16-Jun-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by jstalin
well, most aren't sarcasm, but I don't intend to **** people off or offend anyone, but I am what I am
well, most aren't sarcasm, but I don't intend to **** people off or offend anyone, but I am what I am
you are what you are, but can you be what you are somewhere else?
16-Jun-2006, 02:18 PM
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I can... why all the hate towards jstalin?
16-Jun-2006, 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by jstalin
I can... why all the hate towards jstalin?
I can... why all the hate towards jstalin?
16-Jun-2006, 02:23 PM
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Weird for being politically active and caring about the world?
16-Jun-2006, 02:24 PM
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I think you should get the hint and pick up on the attitude you are getting from the people on this forum.
I suggest you read joonyasi's thread about how to get rid of someone....
http://www.torontocivics.com/tccforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121532
Maybe you will see how we are acting in relation to what you should be doing...
I suggest you read joonyasi's thread about how to get rid of someone....
http://www.torontocivics.com/tccforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121532
Maybe you will see how we are acting in relation to what you should be doing...
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