What car would you pick?
 

2000 Civic si/r or 2002 rsx premium? What would you guys pick? Thanks.

If I was going to mod it, the SiR. There is much more aftermarket support for the B16 and the suspension of that car. The RSX Premium has the base K20 and not as much aftermarket support. Also, the Macpherson strut suspension isnt as good as the double wishbone of the SiR and it doesnt have the parts support. I would spend the extra few bucks and get an RSX Type-S.

rsx is a nicer looking car... so I would go with the rsx like ^^ said spend more $$ and get the type s

B16 has been around a lot longer then the K20... so of course there is going to be more after market support

I would like type s. But my choices are only those at the moment because the rsx, i can get for 5 grand since it's at my uncle's dealer shop. The Sir is what I want but he doesn't have any. So i'm debating on those two. What kind of mods can I do to the rsx to get it up to higher hp?

Rsx

intake, headers, exhaust, turbo, cams.... you can do anything to it that you would do to any other honda

True.
All though I know a few people making good power N/A with the A3.
Intake,exhaust,"race" header,K-pro my buddy put down 190whp. Not bad.
Not to mention there are a few people making good cams for the car, BC being one of them.

If you get the RSX with the A3 you can always buy the Jackson Race Supercharger and put down 220+whp on a stock engine.

a jackson race supercharger is $3500... i highly doubt the guy has the money for that... he already said he didn't have money for the type s

The question was what can I do to make power with the base engine..... I gave him some ideas. If you know of better ideas please share with us.
And FTR you can find the Race kit used all the time for around $2000 or under.

Oh here it is.

SiR would be my choice, because of the suspension, engine/transmission, amount of aftermarket support, and modifiability (if that's a word...lol).


Don't supercharge it. If you go forced induction, go turbo. Turbo's are a much better option. Supercharger's are kind of dead-end roads.

For a B or D definetly but I would'nt say that about a K.
People are making lots if power with them and are great for DD.

It doesn't matter what kind of engine you have, turbo's will always be better than sc's.

Doesn't me you can't go sc, and can't make good power with an sc.

The fact is sc's require power from your engine to make power. Turbo's do not. Lag isn't really an issue if the turbo is properly sized and setup for the application.

fully aware of his question, considering I already made a few suggestions... but I am also going along with the fact he doesn't have money floating around. was NEVER going against what you said just merely pointing out the financial situation... no point on giving him suggestions he can't afford

:sorry:

Rsx. hands down.
you can't lose.

Rsx all day!

Thanks Im fully aware of how Turbos and SC's work.

But do some homework bro and don't be ignorant, K's love to be SC. Not to mention there ten times more reliable then a turbo. Go on EPhatch.com theres guys making close to 300whp on there DD, I would hardly call that not making good power. DD plus reliability is a key factor when driving a car.

i heard k's like bolt-ons the best.








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good intake, race header and an exhaust and you definately feel it.

I'm not being ignorant. I'm just telling the truth.

If guys are getting 300whp from a k with an sc on a dd, thats awsome. Good for them...really. I'm not putting them down in any way.

It's not that it like's sc's better than other engines. Larger engines that make more torque will be able to run sc's more efficiently than smaller low torque engines because of the power required to run an sc. This is why they work well on k motors. not so much for b and d motors. However, even on a k motor, a turbo will still work better, do it's job more efficiently and still be just as reliable.

Turbo's, if done right, are every bit as reliable as sc's.

The sc just failed in our race MR2...wich (with a higher boost pully kit, water to air ic, and megasquirt stand alone and many hours of dyno tuning) was limiting us to how much power we could make (about 170whp currently), mainly because you just can't spin the sc any faster, and it simply is not efficient enough. We've pulled the sc and we're going with a straight turbo setup which will help us make between 250 to 300whp on stock internals/cams...on a 1.6L.

I'm not saying you can't make good power with an sc, but you can do it easier, and just as reliably with a turbo.

SC's work fine, they do their job well. If you want to use them, go ahead. But in the end, to do the same thing, which is force compressed air into an engine, turbo's are more efficient and have more potential than any sc ever will, and are every bit as reliable as an sc if done properly.

-a turbo will require a lot more maintenance than a supercharger. So in the long run, it will always cost you more money to have. And the power difference wont be that big between a base turbo set up (on a k) & say a jackson racing supercharger.
...so i would have to disagree when you say that a turbo is more reliable.

On my previous car (Acura EL), it was turbo'd for over 3 years and there was very little to no maintainance required at all. I hate that perception that 'turbo's require more maintenance then superchargers'...its a myth! As long as the turbo is installed and tuned properly the first time, it will be as reliable as any supercharger will ever be.

So I have to agree with MPR on this one. :)

If it's done correctly, there shouldn't be any maintenance on a turbo. Do your regular oil changes and be done with it.

SC's usually have their own gear oil that needs to be changed time to time, plus a lot more moving parts with significantly more mass in an sc.

haha....sure thang. Maybe your turbo was a nice set-up...i know people who constantly have problems with theirs.

damn, you guys are sc haters.

Not haters. It's just a fact that turbos work better.:biggrin1:

not haters... its all about preference

.....in the long run.
i dont know i would pick a sc for my dd.

Clearly.

lol arent you all gettin off topic here. dude needs help deciding on a car not turbo set-ups haha. OHH go for the rsx when u blow the motor u can always put in a k20 type r =D

OP, don't let us decide for you what car to get. It's ultimately up to you.

Test drive both and see which you like better.

The RSX probably drives better/smoother but the EM1 (SiR) has more potential, performance wise (comparing with the base RSX 160hp k20).

i would go with the civc SIR, not the SI. if you were gonna go with the civic SI then might as well go for the RSX premium...

it all depends on what you want.. first you take into consideration that a civic SIR is 1999-2000... this means it is a 9-10 year old car... most of them with more than 100,000 kms on it.. might find the odd one that has less than 100,000 kms...

now the RSX premium isnt bad but personally i think its over played... meaning too many people have this car and modify it the same way (again, personal preference. people don't need to bash on this) but the pros is its a newer year.. dont get me wrong i think thhe styling is great, but too many people have it...

overall my choice would be the civic SIR... simple to make it stand out from other SIR's is lowered, intake, headers, exhaust, and maybe a new set of rims (personally like the SIR rims port and polished) also a new pain job and maybe spend some time and money making the engine look nice and clean...

good luck buying! wish i had a choice on what car to buy!

LOL, didn't know you could port wheel rims...

Don't forget Headers!




Anyways of couarse a turbo set-up can be reliable, I just know for a fact that a lot of people have had troubles and blowing engines like candy on EP hatch with there K20A3's. The JRSC seems to be more reliable then anything'else as frar forced induction goes. People have put on 40,000kms on there SC woth no troubles.

In the spring of 2006, I went to a big Civic meet in upstate NY. I got to go for a ride in a Comptech supercharged equipped 2006 Si. One of the first new Si's to have that sc actually. It was hella fast. With some other basic boltons, I/H/E and the Hondata reflash, I think it was making 260-270 to the wheels. Not huge numbers, but the car is still running strong and he has had no issues.

Thats what Im talking about.
I was in upstate NY last year visiting my buddy who has a the JRSC on his stock A3 with bolt'ons and the car is hella fun to drive and has a shtload of TQ has never had an issue.
On a SI or K20A the JRSC is even more of a beast.
Even when I drove my turbo GSR I always had a back up car waiting.

Partly why sc's may appear more reliable and have less trouble is because they are typically less complicated to install (a lot of sc kits/installs do not include an intercooler, which SHOULD be a 100% must for any type of forced induction, and you don't have to worry about changing the exhaust manifold or running oil lines etc...), and they usually run at lower boost levels, than turbos. Running at a lower boost level is safer for the engine and thus makes it appear more reliable.

However, running a turbo, most tend to run at higher boost levels than sc's will allow on the same engines. Even if you run the same boost (say an sc vs turbo at 8 psi on a k20), the turbo'd engine will make significantly more power with the same boost level because the engine isn't wasting 20 hp to run the blower. Since the engine is making more power, more attention needs to be given to proper engine tuning. That is probably why those guy's were all blowing their engine's. They probably weren't tuned properly, which has nothing to do with the turbo itself.

Sc's can be inpressive. They can make good power. But they will never have the potential or be able to make power with the efficiency of a turbo.

The 1st gen cobalt's were very quick and inpressive with their factory sc's. They even had different stage level upgrade kits from GM to make them even quicker.

You'll notice though they now switched to a turbo and make even more power from the factory. A friend of mine has an 09 HHR SS turbo with the 5 speed. He recently installed the GM stage 1 upgrade which puts it up around 290hp and 315ft-lbs from a simple reflash and a sensor swap.

SiR for suree

rsx

seriously dont get the premium ull be kicking ur self in the a** without vtec.. plus there are so many RSX around now its not even cool.. i see atleast 5 new ones a day.. if go with the SIR lower on insurence cheaper parts and VTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEC y drive honda without the vtec???