Parking and down-shifting...
21-Nov-2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by chris_si98
It still wears out the clutch smartguy.
It still wears out the clutch smartguy.
Thats all i'm saying.
21-Nov-2006, 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by chris_si98
When you downshift, you press the clutch pedal down, right?
When you downshift, you press the clutch pedal down, right?
21-Nov-2006, 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
Yes it does...just not nearly as much if you just dump it with the engine idling and it drags the engine rpms up and slipps the clutch a heck of alot more then if the engine is already at the right rpm...
Thats all i'm saying.
Yes it does...just not nearly as much if you just dump it with the engine idling and it drags the engine rpms up and slipps the clutch a heck of alot more then if the engine is already at the right rpm...
Thats all i'm saying.
No one was debating that dumping the clutch wears it out faster than normal shifting. You were debating that downshifting (while rev-matching) doesn't wear the clutch out.
Every time you use the clutch it wears out a little.
Rub ur knuckles on the ground, i bet the skin wears down a little. Same idea as when the clutch engages.
21-Nov-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by zeeman
So FINALLY you agree that using the clutch wears it out.
No one was debating that dumping the clutch wears it out faster than normal shifting. You were debating that downshifting (while rev-matching) doesn't wear the clutch out.
Every time you use the clutch it wears out a little.
Rub ur knuckles on the ground, i bet the skin wears down a little. Same idea as when the clutch engages.
So FINALLY you agree that using the clutch wears it out.
No one was debating that dumping the clutch wears it out faster than normal shifting. You were debating that downshifting (while rev-matching) doesn't wear the clutch out.
Every time you use the clutch it wears out a little.
Rub ur knuckles on the ground, i bet the skin wears down a little. Same idea as when the clutch engages.
21-Nov-2006, 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
The idea of rev-matching is that you use the ENGINE to slow you down...not the clutch nor the brakes...
When you rev-match the engine MATCHES the rpm of the tranny so when you release the clutch there is no slipping. It simply engages at the same speed. If it's rotating at the same speed and there's no slipping, how is that wareing down the clutch?
The idea of rev-matching is that you use the ENGINE to slow you down...not the clutch nor the brakes...
When you rev-match the engine MATCHES the rpm of the tranny so when you release the clutch there is no slipping. It simply engages at the same speed. If it's rotating at the same speed and there's no slipping, how is that wareing down the clutch?
21-Nov-2006, 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
The idea of rev-matching is that you use the ENGINE to slow you down...not the clutch nor the brakes...
When you rev-match the engine MATCHES the rpm of the tranny so when you release the clutch there is no slipping. It simply engages at the same speed. If it's rotating at the same speed and there's no slipping, how is that wareing down the clutch?
The idea of rev-matching is that you use the ENGINE to slow you down...not the clutch nor the brakes...
When you rev-match the engine MATCHES the rpm of the tranny so when you release the clutch there is no slipping. It simply engages at the same speed. If it's rotating at the same speed and there's no slipping, how is that wareing down the clutch?
21-Nov-2006, 08:33 PM
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all this talk about saving the clutch with downshifiting... what about your synchros... just put your foot on the clutch, take it out of gear, foot off clutch, then blip the throttle then put your foot back on clutch pull it in gear and then let off the clutch (an match the revs and do it fast enough so your revs dont drop and its one of the smoothest shifts you will get and usually pops a cpl backfires or two...3,4,5...)... one extra step, but you aren't using your synchros when you do that... i believe double clutch downshift or something like that is its name... i do that all the time really...
also, i don't downshift to save brakes... i downshift to pop backfires in ppls FACES!!!! pop... pitty pitty pop... pitty pitty pop... BLAH!!!! and flame... ahhh, my exhaust... i love it!!!
also, i don't downshift to save brakes... i downshift to pop backfires in ppls FACES!!!! pop... pitty pitty pop... pitty pitty pop... BLAH!!!! and flame... ahhh, my exhaust... i love it!!!
21-Nov-2006, 10:48 PM
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Yeah I read that post also and I was WTF!?!?!?! Your way off on how a transmission works. Let me see if I can find a classroom video of a transmission works for you. Right now your way beyond clueless.
For now I found this vid
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...q=transmission
Your still using the synchros however there is less of load on them. The term double clutching was before the days of synchros in a transmission.
You might want to read up on this:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm
For now I found this vid
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...q=transmission
Your still using the synchros however there is less of load on them. The term double clutching was before the days of synchros in a transmission.
You might want to read up on this:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm
22-Nov-2006, 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
I don't know how you can do that....your clutch is cursing at you...
I don't know how you can do that....your clutch is cursing at you...
based on my understanding, I can't see how downshifting is significantly different on the clutch then starting off....assuming you aren't driving like an idiot...
