New Legislation Introduced
05-May-2003, 11:39 PM
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I dont want to define it b/c I know that if I take a certain position on it I will get flamed/banned so I'm not syaing anything except
"streetracing on roads with ppl is different than the streetracing i'm aware of"
what i said earlier
"streetracing on roads with ppl is different than the streetracing i'm aware of"
what i said earlier
05-May-2003, 11:50 PM
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First off, I really like the sound of 90% of that proposal. Get the retards doing 100 out of the left lane, clear accidents quicker. Sounds like its going to save a lot of my time if it works.
The legislation has absolutely nothing to do with your definition of street racing. You can define it any way you feel like. If a cop sees you going fast beside another car and it looks like you are racing then thats street racing. The key part of that is a cop seeing you.
If you want to street race with some kind of precautions, i.e. blocking off a street, in a deserted industrial zone then go ahead. If you are smart you won't get busted by the cops because they won't be there and neither will the innocent bystanders. If you kill yourself, we'll just put another point on the board for Charles Darwin.
This sounds like its aimed at dumb high school kids more than anything else. Retards who race their family sedans down busy streets. Getting those kids off the road is fine by me. They kill people and cause accidents.
Banning NOS makes sense too. Most people are too stupid to drive with just their motor. If you think you are a good enough driver to drive with NOS, then use your driving skills not to get pulled over. Cops can not look in your car unless you are doing something dumb.
Doubling fines for speeding in construction zones sounds OK, just as long as they only take place when theres actual construction going on. Im all for making life safer for the guys who work road construction but if I want to blast along a deserted road which has pylons on the side at 2 am then its retarded that I get a bigger fine.
Sounds like a decent set of laws to me.
The legislation has absolutely nothing to do with your definition of street racing. You can define it any way you feel like. If a cop sees you going fast beside another car and it looks like you are racing then thats street racing. The key part of that is a cop seeing you.
If you want to street race with some kind of precautions, i.e. blocking off a street, in a deserted industrial zone then go ahead. If you are smart you won't get busted by the cops because they won't be there and neither will the innocent bystanders. If you kill yourself, we'll just put another point on the board for Charles Darwin.
This sounds like its aimed at dumb high school kids more than anything else. Retards who race their family sedans down busy streets. Getting those kids off the road is fine by me. They kill people and cause accidents.
Banning NOS makes sense too. Most people are too stupid to drive with just their motor. If you think you are a good enough driver to drive with NOS, then use your driving skills not to get pulled over. Cops can not look in your car unless you are doing something dumb.
Doubling fines for speeding in construction zones sounds OK, just as long as they only take place when theres actual construction going on. Im all for making life safer for the guys who work road construction but if I want to blast along a deserted road which has pylons on the side at 2 am then its retarded that I get a bigger fine.
Sounds like a decent set of laws to me.
05-May-2003, 11:57 PM
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Oh and here's a good variation on hat racing. Meet up, pick a location to drive to. Then drive there without speeding by more than a pre agreed number or doing anything blatantly illegal. You will need judges in the passenger seats to make it fair. Its fun though, especially during rush hour. Also a fun little game to play on your way into town from the suburbs on a weekend.
06-May-2003, 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by vanman
It's a bit long, but here's a portion of Frank Klees' (Minister of Transportation) presentation of the new Bill 20 (replacing the original Bill 241) in the legislature today:
"The first proposal is a province-wide crackdown on street racing. Under the proposed bill, those determined to race their vehicles on public roads would face immediate seizure of their vehicle, a 48-hour licence suspension or both. These actions are designed to safeguard members of the public from this dangerous activity.
In addition, the proposed bill would ban nitrous oxide systems that are fully connected and functional in any vehicle driven on public roads. As members may know, nitrous oxide is a compressed liquid gas that can be injected into an engine's combustion process to cause rapid acceleration. The proposed legislation would still allow nitrous oxide systems to be installed in motor vehicles for legitimate use at racetracks, for example. But if you drive on public roads, the nitrous oxide tank must be visibly disconnected. A police officer inspecting a motor vehicle may take a sample of any substance that is connected to the fuel system or engine. The police would also be able to order the removal and disposal of the nitrous oxide tank.
With this measure, we are sending a clear message, and that message is that street racing is illegal, dangerous and unacceptable in Ontario."
I think the government has listened carefully to the criticisms of the original bill 241, and responded in a manner that most car enthusiasts will find acceptable.
It's a bit long, but here's a portion of Frank Klees' (Minister of Transportation) presentation of the new Bill 20 (replacing the original Bill 241) in the legislature today:
"The first proposal is a province-wide crackdown on street racing. Under the proposed bill, those determined to race their vehicles on public roads would face immediate seizure of their vehicle, a 48-hour licence suspension or both. These actions are designed to safeguard members of the public from this dangerous activity.
In addition, the proposed bill would ban nitrous oxide systems that are fully connected and functional in any vehicle driven on public roads. As members may know, nitrous oxide is a compressed liquid gas that can be injected into an engine's combustion process to cause rapid acceleration. The proposed legislation would still allow nitrous oxide systems to be installed in motor vehicles for legitimate use at racetracks, for example. But if you drive on public roads, the nitrous oxide tank must be visibly disconnected. A police officer inspecting a motor vehicle may take a sample of any substance that is connected to the fuel system or engine. The police would also be able to order the removal and disposal of the nitrous oxide tank.
With this measure, we are sending a clear message, and that message is that street racing is illegal, dangerous and unacceptable in Ontario."
I think the government has listened carefully to the criticisms of the original bill 241, and responded in a manner that most car enthusiasts will find acceptable.
Sounds like they have made things much more clear than they were in bill 241.
06-May-2003, 01:17 PM
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That sounds fine with me....!
Speeding in residential areas should be cracked down on.. you won't believe how many cars I have speeding through my area. My area streets are windy and then there are straightaways too.. and it's relatively quiet.. so we have cars like 300ZXs and Mustangs blister through my area at incredible streets. My area's not a race track. I agree whole-heartedly with that law!
Speeding in residential areas should be cracked down on.. you won't believe how many cars I have speeding through my area. My area streets are windy and then there are straightaways too.. and it's relatively quiet.. so we have cars like 300ZXs and Mustangs blister through my area at incredible streets. My area's not a race track. I agree whole-heartedly with that law!
06-May-2003, 01:43 PM
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Street Racing is any 2 vehicles (car,bike,truck,tank,chevette...etc) going at very high speeds on the street/road/hiway against each other to see whose the fastest. You don't have to have a done up car to street race - you know how many people bring their cheap Tempo/Buick rental cars to the races on the weekend??!!
So yes, if a grandma who drives an 87' K-car is going 90km against a grandpa in a 80' Chevette going 80km down Yonge, it is street racing or do you wanna call it speeding still?? They're racing purposely @ high speeds - on the street!
So yes, if a grandma who drives an 87' K-car is going 90km against a grandpa in a 80' Chevette going 80km down Yonge, it is street racing or do you wanna call it speeding still?? They're racing purposely @ high speeds - on the street!
06-May-2003, 06:57 PM
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Bill 20 received second reading today. It's posted here:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bil...on4/b020_e.htm
Looks OK to me, and it'll probably pass without too much opposition.
http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bil...on4/b020_e.htm
Looks OK to me, and it'll probably pass without too much opposition.
15-May-2003, 02:52 PM
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I see everyone is focusing on the street racing and NOS changes....but what about the tint issue....
Analysis from another Board (j-body.ca)
Here's the text of the bill: http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bil...on4/b020_e.htm
It is much clearer wording than the original bill and does not leave an open-ended ability to look for performance parts. It simply bans nitrous oxide use on the street. The street racing section is suitably harsh.
I'm still pissed at the approach taken for the window tinting. The starting point is "everything is banned" except what they decide is okay. The original subsection is:
Quote:
(2) No person shall drive a motor vehicle upon a highway where the surface of the windshield or of any window of the vehicle has been coated with any colour spray or other colour coating in such a manner as to obstruct the driver's view of the highway or any intersecting highway.
This says you can't tint in such a way as to obstruct your view forward or to the side so the windshield and driver / passenger front windows are controlled.
The new wording is:
Quote:
(2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle with a windshield or any window made of coloured glass or coated with any colour spray, colour coating, glazing material or reflective material except in accordance with the regulations.
Since the view is no longer specified, this will apply to all windows.
Of course, we still have the police officer's favourite vague law:
Quote:
(3) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle on which the surface of the windshield or of any window to the direct left or right of the driver's seat has been coated with any coloured spray or other coloured or reflective material that substantially obscures the interior of the motor vehicle when viewed from outside the motor vehicle.
which allows them to say that they can't see inside so the tint is illegal. No where in the old or new text does it specify a certain percentage tint as being legal. Oh well.
Analysis from another Board (j-body.ca)
Here's the text of the bill: http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bil...on4/b020_e.htm
It is much clearer wording than the original bill and does not leave an open-ended ability to look for performance parts. It simply bans nitrous oxide use on the street. The street racing section is suitably harsh.
I'm still pissed at the approach taken for the window tinting. The starting point is "everything is banned" except what they decide is okay. The original subsection is:
Quote:
(2) No person shall drive a motor vehicle upon a highway where the surface of the windshield or of any window of the vehicle has been coated with any colour spray or other colour coating in such a manner as to obstruct the driver's view of the highway or any intersecting highway.
This says you can't tint in such a way as to obstruct your view forward or to the side so the windshield and driver / passenger front windows are controlled.
The new wording is:
Quote:
(2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle with a windshield or any window made of coloured glass or coated with any colour spray, colour coating, glazing material or reflective material except in accordance with the regulations.
Since the view is no longer specified, this will apply to all windows.
Of course, we still have the police officer's favourite vague law:
Quote:
(3) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle on which the surface of the windshield or of any window to the direct left or right of the driver's seat has been coated with any coloured spray or other coloured or reflective material that substantially obscures the interior of the motor vehicle when viewed from outside the motor vehicle.
which allows them to say that they can't see inside so the tint is illegal. No where in the old or new text does it specify a certain percentage tint as being legal. Oh well.
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