New Driving Law
21-Apr-2009, 07:48 PM
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New Driving Law
CP24- Ont. young drivers face new restrictions under bill that has passed final reading - CTV News, Shows and Sports -- Canadian Television
What are your thoughts? I think its the most outrageous form of age discrimination. For one, if your going to impose a stupid law of 0-blood alcohol level impose it to all. It's been proven that the highest rate of accidents and dui's are not in the age group this law is imposed on. Secondly, 0-blood alcohol level for anyone under the age of 19 should be 0 as they are not legally allowed to consume alcohol and those 19+ are legal. Those with their g2 are legally not allowed to consume alcoho and those with a G are allowed to have a certain max blood alcohol level. Therefore this is really affecting those with a G license who are 19-21. Also included in this law is if your 16-21 caught speeding your license gets suspended. However, someone 22 isnt suspended. I dont know how these bills get passed, but logically this is the stupidest thing ive ever heard of. Again, it wouldnt be as bad if it was not targeted to a specific age group. Guess the days of going 5-10km over the speed limit and enjoying a nice pint of beer with your buddies is over for us that are under 21
ps. F*** the gov't
What are your thoughts? I think its the most outrageous form of age discrimination. For one, if your going to impose a stupid law of 0-blood alcohol level impose it to all. It's been proven that the highest rate of accidents and dui's are not in the age group this law is imposed on. Secondly, 0-blood alcohol level for anyone under the age of 19 should be 0 as they are not legally allowed to consume alcohol and those 19+ are legal. Those with their g2 are legally not allowed to consume alcoho and those with a G are allowed to have a certain max blood alcohol level. Therefore this is really affecting those with a G license who are 19-21. Also included in this law is if your 16-21 caught speeding your license gets suspended. However, someone 22 isnt suspended. I dont know how these bills get passed, but logically this is the stupidest thing ive ever heard of. Again, it wouldnt be as bad if it was not targeted to a specific age group. Guess the days of going 5-10km over the speed limit and enjoying a nice pint of beer with your buddies is over for us that are under 21
ps. F*** the gov't
21-Apr-2009, 08:03 PM
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I'm a geezer. Sux to be you. 
It shouldn't target a specific age group, but the whole spectrum of drivers with a 'new' licence. There should be mandatory road tests every 5 years for all drivers. every three years or two for Drivers with conditions, (medical : diabetic, vision, etc.) and for older aged drivers.
It's NOT a right to drive, it's a priviledge. The new laws suck. If you notice the speeders, a lot fo them are my age group, or around my age group, not many 20-25yr olds are stupid enough to speed.
My two cents, peace.
It shouldn't target a specific age group, but the whole spectrum of drivers with a 'new' licence. There should be mandatory road tests every 5 years for all drivers. every three years or two for Drivers with conditions, (medical : diabetic, vision, etc.) and for older aged drivers.
It's NOT a right to drive, it's a priviledge. The new laws suck. If you notice the speeders, a lot fo them are my age group, or around my age group, not many 20-25yr olds are stupid enough to speed.
My two cents, peace.
21-Apr-2009, 08:07 PM
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Im over 21, so this doenst effect me (directly). But I'm not a fan of the suspension if over the speed limit, that's just dangerous. Especially in Toronto. I was taught to follow the flow of traffic (within reason of course).
21-Apr-2009, 08:39 PM
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ya for sure. 5-10km over no big deal unless its residental/school area. but give me a break, 16-21 there are a small minority that speeds and drinks under the influence but the majority that do these things are of higher age.
21-Apr-2009, 09:00 PM
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I think that you haven't actually read the new law yourself yet. Much of what you are spouting off about is based on a mistaken view of what the law does and does not cover.
What this part of the law is affecting is those who are both relatively new to driving AND relatively new to drinking. Each by itself carries a certain degree of risk of their own but a learning driver is already at high enough risk without adding in the multiplier effect of alcohol on a learning drinker.
Statistics also prove that the group of drivers most at risk of fatal collisions are young drivers, in part because they are still learning a new skill (driving), but also because their maturity and sense of judgement are still developing. A young developing driver is far more adversely susceptible to the effects of alcohol than a mature adult developing driver who has already gone through the alcohol learning curve.
Wrong, most of the new law is NOT targeted at a specific age group. License suspensions apply to any G1 or G2 driver regardless of age if they accumulate 4 demerit points or violate any of the other driving restrictions imposed on G1 and G2 drivers. The only measure age-related is the alcohol restriction, and with good reason.
All together now, awwwww! Remember what they say, driving is a privilege and not a right. Newer drivers SHOULD be kept on a tight leash as far as breaking traffic laws and drinking and driving is concerned.
In any case, you're wrong again. Even if caught doing 5 or 10 over, the resulting ticket would not result in demerit points so a G1 or G2 driver wouldn't face suspension anyways. You would have to be doing 30 km or more over the limit to risk being suspended. Now if they you enjoying a pint WHILE doing 5 or 10 over, tsk tsk tsk and it would suck to be you, but haven't you heard - you shouldn't be drinking and driving anyways.
In any case, the rules are clear enough. If you really don't like them, you can always refuse to drive out of principle.
For one, if your going to impose a stupid law of 0-blood alcohol level impose it to all. It's been proven that the highest rate of accidents and dui's are not in the age group this law is imposed on. Secondly, 0-blood alcohol level for anyone under the age of 19 should be 0 as they are not legally allowed to consume alcohol and those 19+ are legal. Those with their g2 are legally not allowed to consume alcoho and those with a G are allowed to have a certain max blood alcohol level. Therefore this is really affecting those with a G license who are 19-21.
Statistics also prove that the group of drivers most at risk of fatal collisions are young drivers, in part because they are still learning a new skill (driving), but also because their maturity and sense of judgement are still developing. A young developing driver is far more adversely susceptible to the effects of alcohol than a mature adult developing driver who has already gone through the alcohol learning curve.
Also included in this law is if your 16-21 caught speeding your license gets suspended. However, someone 22 isnt suspended. I dont know how these bills get passed, but logically this is the stupidest thing ive ever heard of. Again, it wouldnt be as bad if it was not targeted to a specific age group.
In any case, you're wrong again. Even if caught doing 5 or 10 over, the resulting ticket would not result in demerit points so a G1 or G2 driver wouldn't face suspension anyways. You would have to be doing 30 km or more over the limit to risk being suspended. Now if they you enjoying a pint WHILE doing 5 or 10 over, tsk tsk tsk and it would suck to be you, but haven't you heard - you shouldn't be drinking and driving anyways.
In any case, the rules are clear enough. If you really don't like them, you can always refuse to drive out of principle.
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21-Apr-2009, 09:18 PM
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maybe if you drink it...
why would you drink listerine...? just get some rum.
21-Apr-2009, 09:42 PM
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This was on mythbusters. haha but they didnt try drinking it..... forgot what their result was.
21-Apr-2009, 09:46 PM
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I think that you haven't actually read the new law yourself yet. Much of what you are spouting off about is based on a mistaken view of what the law does and does not cover.
What this part of the law is affecting is those who are both relatively new to driving AND relatively new to drinking. Each by itself carries a certain degree of risk of their own but a learning driver is already at high enough risk without adding in the multiplier effect of alcohol on a learning drinker.
Statistics also prove that the group of drivers most at risk of fatal collisions are young drivers, in part because they are still learning a new skill (driving), but also because their maturity and sense of judgement are still developing. A young developing driver is far more adversely susceptible to the effects of alcohol than a mature adult developing driver who has already gone through the alcohol learning curve.
Wrong, most of the new law is NOT targeted at a specific age group. License suspensions apply to any G1 or G2 driver regardless of age if they accumulate 4 demerit points or violate any of the other driving restrictions imposed on G1 and G2 drivers. The only measure age-related is the alcohol restriction, and with good reason.
All together now, awwwww! Remember what they say, driving is a privilege and not a right. Newer drivers SHOULD be kept on a tight leash as far as breaking traffic laws and drinking and driving is concerned.
In any case, you're wrong again. Even if caught doing 5 or 10 over, the resulting ticket would not result in demerit points so a G1 or G2 driver wouldn't face suspension anyways. You would have to be doing 30 km or more over the limit to risk being suspended. Now if they you enjoying a pint WHILE doing 5 or 10 over, tsk tsk tsk and it would suck to be you, but haven't you heard - you shouldn't be drinking and driving anyways.
In any case, the rules are clear enough. If you really don't like them, you can always refuse to drive out of principle.
What this part of the law is affecting is those who are both relatively new to driving AND relatively new to drinking. Each by itself carries a certain degree of risk of their own but a learning driver is already at high enough risk without adding in the multiplier effect of alcohol on a learning drinker.
Statistics also prove that the group of drivers most at risk of fatal collisions are young drivers, in part because they are still learning a new skill (driving), but also because their maturity and sense of judgement are still developing. A young developing driver is far more adversely susceptible to the effects of alcohol than a mature adult developing driver who has already gone through the alcohol learning curve.
Wrong, most of the new law is NOT targeted at a specific age group. License suspensions apply to any G1 or G2 driver regardless of age if they accumulate 4 demerit points or violate any of the other driving restrictions imposed on G1 and G2 drivers. The only measure age-related is the alcohol restriction, and with good reason.
All together now, awwwww! Remember what they say, driving is a privilege and not a right. Newer drivers SHOULD be kept on a tight leash as far as breaking traffic laws and drinking and driving is concerned.
In any case, you're wrong again. Even if caught doing 5 or 10 over, the resulting ticket would not result in demerit points so a G1 or G2 driver wouldn't face suspension anyways. You would have to be doing 30 km or more over the limit to risk being suspended. Now if they you enjoying a pint WHILE doing 5 or 10 over, tsk tsk tsk and it would suck to be you, but haven't you heard - you shouldn't be drinking and driving anyways.
In any case, the rules are clear enough. If you really don't like them, you can always refuse to drive out of principle.
The new rules impose a zero blood-alcohol limit for all Ontario drivers aged 21 and under.
does not say NEW drivers, though it does state ALL ontario drivers under 21, please show me where it says NEW drivers. I could be mistaken just want you to prove to me im mistaken. ALL ontario drivers under 21 means G1, G2, and even G ...
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21-Apr-2009, 09:52 PM
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Read what I wrote again. MOST of the new law is not targeted at any specific age group. The only exception is the alcohol restriction, and I've given you the very justifiable reasons for that in my post.
Maybe you should actually read what the act entails before going off on a rant. Legislative Assembly of Ontario | Bills & Lawmaking | Current Parliament | Bill 126, Road Safety Act, 2009
21-Apr-2009, 10:27 PM
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once again i fail to see where is specifies NEW driver. Whether you 21 and just got your license or 21 and had ur license for 5 years (like myself) your still subjected to this new law. And it still says in black and white under the age of 21 -> which refers to age discrimination.
I've had my g1 since i was 16 and now im 21 and i got my G last year. So because im 21 i can no longer have alcohol in my body when im driving? with a G class license your supposed to be allowed up to .05 i believe. And apparently jumping from 21 - 22 i become a whole lot more responsible and can now drink up to .05 and legally drive ... thats the stupidest i've ever heard. thats my argument. What makes 21 and 22 so different? Provide quotes from this bill that support what you say because i read it an no where does it relay the same information your passing
I've had my g1 since i was 16 and now im 21 and i got my G last year. So because im 21 i can no longer have alcohol in my body when im driving? with a G class license your supposed to be allowed up to .05 i believe. And apparently jumping from 21 - 22 i become a whole lot more responsible and can now drink up to .05 and legally drive ... thats the stupidest i've ever heard. thats my argument. What makes 21 and 22 so different? Provide quotes from this bill that support what you say because i read it an no where does it relay the same information your passing
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21-Apr-2009, 10:36 PM
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"novice driver" has the meaning prescribed by the regulations made under section 57.1; ("conducteur débutant")
"young driver" means a driver who is under 22 years old. ("jeune conducteur")
couldnt find anything about the speeding law in there? did that get passed?
"young driver" means a driver who is under 22 years old. ("jeune conducteur")
couldnt find anything about the speeding law in there? did that get passed?
21-Apr-2009, 10:50 PM
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once again i fail to see where is specifies NEW driver. Whether you 21 and just got your license or 21 and had ur license for 5 years (like myself) your still subjected to this new law. And it still says in black and white under the age of 21 -> which refers to age discrimination.
Like it or not, driving is a regulated activity subject to testing, licensing and compliance with traffic regulations as the government sees fit to introduce. Government has every right to enact driving regulations that it feels are in the best public interest.
With respect to the drinking and driving ban, this is text included in the law:
"(6) The suspension of a licence under this section is intended to ensure that novice drivers and young drivers acquire experience and develop or improve safe driving skills in controlled conditions and to safeguard the licensee and the public and does not constitute an alternative to any proceeding or penalty arising from the same circumstances or around the same time. "
I've had my g1 since i was 16 and now im 21 and i got my G last year. So because im 21 i can no longer have alcohol in my body when im driving? with a G class license your supposed to be allowed up to .05 i believe. And apparently jumping from 21 - 22 i become a whole lot more responsible and can now drink up to .05 and legally drive ... thats the stupidest i've ever heard. thats my argument. What makes 21 and 22 so different?
There was also a lot of wailing when the government raised the drinking age from 18 to 19 just one day after many 18-year-olds had just become legal to drink. That same day, those same 18-year-olds who had celebrated their birthday in a bar the night before were no longer legal.
It sucked to be them. Now it sucks to be you. You'll get over it.
Specifically what information are you disputing?
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21-Apr-2009, 10:55 PM
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Those are amendments to existing regulations that will come into effect this summer, and it's not just speeding. It's any one or more offences that together carry an accumulation of 4 demerit points or more.
See the government press release, mostly in the second half of the release: CNW Group | ONTARIO MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTATION | Changing The Rules Of The Road
21-Apr-2009, 11:07 PM
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Same here, even though I am not as old as you yet.
Man, you're funny!
All jokes aside, I think it's cool that you come here and educate everyone on this stuff. Based on the replies I've seen you post on this forum, I take it you are either a cop or working for the Police, so the replies you've posted are really good and to the point.
All jokes aside, I think it's cool that you come here and educate everyone on this stuff. Based on the replies I've seen you post on this forum, I take it you are either a cop or working for the Police, so the replies you've posted are really good and to the point.
