need advice on purchase of 06 civic
07-Jul-2006, 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Chigga1
K20?????? WTF! since when!
ok im confused i thought u were talkin about the CSX! sorry buddy!
you meant the SI
and actually 28grand seems about right after 5 years finance!
K20?????? WTF! since when!
ok im confused i thought u were talkin about the CSX! sorry buddy!
you meant the SI
and actually 28grand seems about right after 5 years finance!
I didn't mean the Si, the Si has a K20 also but tuned to around 197 HP...
your wrong...
07-Jul-2006, 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by mugenpowered
I don't think that should be the logic for a purchase, every hundred dollars you bargain down is taking a very small amount away from the salesperson's commission.
Plus, it is a two-way relationship. Do you think the salesman is thinking "Every $ I charge this customer more is $ taken away from this customer who is just trying to make a living like me."
I don't think that should be the logic for a purchase, every hundred dollars you bargain down is taking a very small amount away from the salesperson's commission.
Plus, it is a two-way relationship. Do you think the salesman is thinking "Every $ I charge this customer more is $ taken away from this customer who is just trying to make a living like me."
FYI.. msot Honda sales people work on 25% commision on the gross profit of the car. So $100 off the price of the car = $25 from the commission... you gonna take a $25/hr or even /day pay cut???
Highly doubt it...
And let me tell ya, there isnt a whole lot to be made in a Civic for the amount of work that goes into looking after the customer, before and after the sale... We make our $$ on volume.
This is why I stay outta threads like this... becasue I wouldnt come to your work place and demand you take a $5/hr pay cut so I could buy something...
again, like I said.... do you work for free.. answer the question.. its simple.
07-Jul-2006, 09:18 AM
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And, dont bother messaging me asking what kinda deal I will give ya... if you feel your gonna get the best deal, and best service by paying carcostcanada, then go for it... but i dont know how you expect a dealership to make money and be there to service you by purchasing a car at thier cost or slightly above.
Economics will teach you that everyone needs to make some $ to keep the world economy moving... if you take money frm me, its less $$ I have to spend on buying products, that maybe your company might produce, and in turn, your company could see less rofit and then there will be job cuts and layoffs making even less moeny in the economy to be spent, profits are there for a reason... to help people survive and buy other products.
IUf you want a HUGE discount on a car, go buy a GM where they are giving you $4000 off the MSRP... youll never get it on a Honda... nor will you ever see 0% financing.
Economics will teach you that everyone needs to make some $ to keep the world economy moving... if you take money frm me, its less $$ I have to spend on buying products, that maybe your company might produce, and in turn, your company could see less rofit and then there will be job cuts and layoffs making even less moeny in the economy to be spent, profits are there for a reason... to help people survive and buy other products.
IUf you want a HUGE discount on a car, go buy a GM where they are giving you $4000 off the MSRP... youll never get it on a Honda... nor will you ever see 0% financing.
07-Jul-2006, 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by CrazyKid
... dont forget there is a $100 fuel rebate on the car...
... dont forget there is a $100 fuel rebate on the car...
Originally posted by CrazyKid
... FYI.. msot Honda sales people work on 25% commision on the gross profit of the car. So $100 off the price of the car = $25 from the commission... you gonna take a $25/hr or even /day pay cut???
... FYI.. msot Honda sales people work on 25% commision on the gross profit of the car. So $100 off the price of the car = $25 from the commission... you gonna take a $25/hr or even /day pay cut???
I don't think anyone's suggesting that customers should be paying cost for a car and salesmen should work for free. I think what we're trying to get at is somethign that works for everyone.
cheers
07-Jul-2006, 09:45 AM
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Crazykid, as I'm sure you knwo the customer does not give a **** about how much money you make, and I'm not sure why your coming off sounding bitter about it. You have control in the end, if the customer tries to offer you an offer that is lower than you'd like, just don't take it. Like you said, your selling Civics not Cavaliers (or whatever), you shouldn't have a hard time moving htem....
07-Jul-2006, 09:45 AM
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wow... someone pissed in ur cornflakes eh?
Economics will also teach you that every dollar i keep from you means i can spend it somehwere else... it's a different argument if i keep money from you and just stash it under a mattress... but if i get a car for cheaper and then spend the remainder of the cash on something else that cash is still going into the economy.
Also i would hardly compare 100 bucks off the price of the car to a $25/hr pay cut. When you work on COMISSION tha'ts the way it works, not /day or /hr it's /sale...
If you just shop around you can see which sales person will give you the best price, they're the ones that really want the sale, not ppl like this guy who think they deserve to sell the car for MSRP. The bonus here is, if I get a good price from some guy coupled with good service, i'll bring you customers, that's how you make more money. repeat service. If you charge me MSRP, or are an *******, i won't bring **** to your dealership and you're missing out on tons of potential clients just because of the one that you didn't want to lose $25 on.
And on the topic of service, let's not even get into how much profit dealerships make off their service dept. that's a huge cash grab on it's own.
Economics will also teach you that every dollar i keep from you means i can spend it somehwere else... it's a different argument if i keep money from you and just stash it under a mattress... but if i get a car for cheaper and then spend the remainder of the cash on something else that cash is still going into the economy.
Also i would hardly compare 100 bucks off the price of the car to a $25/hr pay cut. When you work on COMISSION tha'ts the way it works, not /day or /hr it's /sale...
If you just shop around you can see which sales person will give you the best price, they're the ones that really want the sale, not ppl like this guy who think they deserve to sell the car for MSRP. The bonus here is, if I get a good price from some guy coupled with good service, i'll bring you customers, that's how you make more money. repeat service. If you charge me MSRP, or are an *******, i won't bring **** to your dealership and you're missing out on tons of potential clients just because of the one that you didn't want to lose $25 on.
And on the topic of service, let's not even get into how much profit dealerships make off their service dept. that's a huge cash grab on it's own.
07-Jul-2006, 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by poorwingman
How do i get this rebate? i.e. When i'm negotiating do I tell the salesman that a different salesman told me so on an internet forum? that just doesn't seem that credible
I don't think anyone's suggesting that customers should be paying cost for a car and salesmen should work for free. I think what we're trying to get at is somethign that works for everyone.
cheers
How do i get this rebate? i.e. When i'm negotiating do I tell the salesman that a different salesman told me so on an internet forum? that just doesn't seem that credible
I don't think anyone's suggesting that customers should be paying cost for a car and salesmen should work for free. I think what we're trying to get at is somethign that works for everyone.
cheers
If your leasing though you wont see this rebate unless your putting money down as a cap cost reduction - thats a whole other situation that would take me hours to explain.
I didnt post all the stuff about $25/hr pay cut to start arguments here.. I wont fight about it.. I posted it so you get a sense of what happens when you negotiate a deal... and where in fact some fo the moeny you ask for off comes from. Alot of people dont relize it directly effects the salespersons income.
I expect people to ask for a deal, I never said I only sell for MSRP.. although we do hold gross well at our dealership on certian models.
I dont mind helping the person get the deal they want... but I dont wanna work for free either... and most the time I dont loose a deal over nickles and dimes.. I will work with whatever the customer wants... and will try and get them thier deal, without sacraficning too much - thats the idea - right?
Buying a car can be fun, if you go about it the right way. We hear every story out there over and over... 90% of the time youll get a better reception fomr the desk manager without the car cost canada invoices, go in have fun with the negotiations... if everyone is having a good time and not up on thier defensives im sure everyone will get the deal thier looking for. The bestfor both is the perfect deal.
On a side note... when someone comes in and ask me for "my best price " I usally tell them this - my best price is the price in the window, its best for me casue I make the most commission that way. Whats your best price - or what price do you wanna pay? " and laugh with them... 9/10X people laugh and we head into the nitty gritty and get them a car... I dont think youll be too hard pressed ot get $500 off a civic and some of the accessories you lsited throwen in...
Beware of a few things.. ADMIN Fee - dont pay for it. Again, they will justify it numerous ways... etching program , rim and tire warranty ect.
07-Jul-2006, 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by CrazyKid
Buying a car can be fun, if you go about it the right way. We hear every story out there over and over... 90% of the time youll get a better reception fomr the desk manager without the car cost canada invoices, go in have fun with the negotiations... if everyone is having a good time and not up on thier defensives im sure everyone will get the deal thier looking for. The bestfor both is the perfect deal.
Buying a car can be fun, if you go about it the right way. We hear every story out there over and over... 90% of the time youll get a better reception fomr the desk manager without the car cost canada invoices, go in have fun with the negotiations... if everyone is having a good time and not up on thier defensives im sure everyone will get the deal thier looking for. The bestfor both is the perfect deal.
07-Jul-2006, 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by CrazyKid
They will automatically ( or should ) give you the fuel tax rebate. It will be shown on the bill of sale near the bottom.
If your leasing though you wont see this rebate unless your putting money down as a cap cost reduction - thats a whole other situation that would take me hours to explain.
I didnt post all the stuff about $25/hr pay cut to start arguments here.. I wont fight about it.. I posted it so you get a sense of what happens when you negotiate a deal... and where in fact some fo the moeny you ask for off comes from. Alot of people dont relize it directly effects the salespersons income.
I expect people to ask for a deal, I never said I only sell for MSRP.. although we do hold gross well at our dealership on certian models.
I dont mind helping the person get the deal they want... but I dont wanna work for free either... and most the time I dont loose a deal over nickles and dimes.. I will work with whatever the customer wants... and will try and get them thier deal, without sacraficning too much - thats the idea - right?
Buying a car can be fun, if you go about it the right way. We hear every story out there over and over... 90% of the time youll get a better reception fomr the desk manager without the car cost canada invoices, go in have fun with the negotiations... if everyone is having a good time and not up on thier defensives im sure everyone will get the deal thier looking for. The bestfor both is the perfect deal.
On a side note... when someone comes in and ask me for "my best price " I usally tell them this - my best price is the price in the window, its best for me casue I make the most commission that way. Whats your best price - or what price do you wanna pay? " and laugh with them... 9/10X people laugh and we head into the nitty gritty and get them a car... I dont think youll be too hard pressed ot get $500 off a civic and some of the accessories you lsited throwen in...
Beware of a few things.. ADMIN Fee - dont pay for it. Again, they will justify it numerous ways... etching program , rim and tire warranty ect.
They will automatically ( or should ) give you the fuel tax rebate. It will be shown on the bill of sale near the bottom.
If your leasing though you wont see this rebate unless your putting money down as a cap cost reduction - thats a whole other situation that would take me hours to explain.
I didnt post all the stuff about $25/hr pay cut to start arguments here.. I wont fight about it.. I posted it so you get a sense of what happens when you negotiate a deal... and where in fact some fo the moeny you ask for off comes from. Alot of people dont relize it directly effects the salespersons income.
I expect people to ask for a deal, I never said I only sell for MSRP.. although we do hold gross well at our dealership on certian models.
I dont mind helping the person get the deal they want... but I dont wanna work for free either... and most the time I dont loose a deal over nickles and dimes.. I will work with whatever the customer wants... and will try and get them thier deal, without sacraficning too much - thats the idea - right?
Buying a car can be fun, if you go about it the right way. We hear every story out there over and over... 90% of the time youll get a better reception fomr the desk manager without the car cost canada invoices, go in have fun with the negotiations... if everyone is having a good time and not up on thier defensives im sure everyone will get the deal thier looking for. The bestfor both is the perfect deal.
On a side note... when someone comes in and ask me for "my best price " I usally tell them this - my best price is the price in the window, its best for me casue I make the most commission that way. Whats your best price - or what price do you wanna pay? " and laugh with them... 9/10X people laugh and we head into the nitty gritty and get them a car... I dont think youll be too hard pressed ot get $500 off a civic and some of the accessories you lsited throwen in...
Beware of a few things.. ADMIN Fee - dont pay for it. Again, they will justify it numerous ways... etching program , rim and tire warranty ect.
07-Jul-2006, 02:06 PM
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When I got my 06 Civic from NewMarket Honda (Jan) my sales guy David Waugh (?) reduced the price $400 w/o asking him. I didn't even bother and try to haggle with him.
I don't know where haggling for a car price started? If it was used from someone driveway sure haggle away.
I wouldn't go into a store and haggle with the clerk on a can of pop. Why do people do this with dealerships?
What happens if you paid an admin fee already? S.O.L.? (looks for bid of sale)
I don't know where haggling for a car price started? If it was used from someone driveway sure haggle away.
I wouldn't go into a store and haggle with the clerk on a can of pop. Why do people do this with dealerships?
What happens if you paid an admin fee already? S.O.L.? (looks for bid of sale)
07-Jul-2006, 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by starboy869
I don't know where haggling for a car price started? If it was used from someone driveway sure haggle away.
I wouldn't go into a store and haggle with the clerk on a can of pop. Why do people do this with dealerships?
I don't know where haggling for a car price started? If it was used from someone driveway sure haggle away.
I wouldn't go into a store and haggle with the clerk on a can of pop. Why do people do this with dealerships?
14-Jul-2006, 03:26 PM
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Re: need advice on purchase of 06 civic
Originally posted by poorwingman
Hi guys,
I’m looking at buying a 2006 Honda Civic EX(sedan)
Location? GTA
Regular price? 28k off the lot
Two questions:
1. How much of a discount were you able to get?
2. What items did the dealer throw into the deal? Did any of the items below get thrown in?
Hi guys,
I’m looking at buying a 2006 Honda Civic EX(sedan)
Location? GTA
Regular price? 28k off the lot
Two questions:
1. How much of a discount were you able to get?
2. What items did the dealer throw into the deal? Did any of the items below get thrown in?
This is what I'm doing and I hope it helps me be prepared at the dealerships:
I photocopied listings of the values of the cars with the various options from the Canadian red book.
I also have black book copies of the 'trade-in' value of whatever car I might be interested in with estimated km factored in. I was able to get those from the online site.
Based on which car I'm considering, I'm finding all the ads for that car with whatever kms so I can have a good gauge of what the car is selling for.
Thus, I hope to be prepared for what the dealer offers and if I feel the price is too high, I can rationalize the discounts based on all the info I collected.
EDIT: Just to add: It's not the customer's fault whatever the commission rate is set at. The customer has to be concerned about their own finances and what they want to spend in a car, not worry about whether the sales people make enough bucks.
16-Jul-2006, 07:59 PM
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I don't like the look of the Pilot. Plus I checked of the trunk area (04 model) and for the size it's not that great. (I think)
If I go the SUV route I'm thinking 03+ Saturn Vue V6 or Nissan Exterra (SC
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Mini van I'm thinking Toyota sienna 04+ 8 seater.
If I go the SUV route I'm thinking 03+ Saturn Vue V6 or Nissan Exterra (SC
)Mini van I'm thinking Toyota sienna 04+ 8 seater.
21-Jul-2006, 11:15 PM
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Civic is a JR CSX (or a stripped the CSX) and the Civic benefits from the CSX lineage. 
Originally posted by poorwingman
no it's not far from csx territory.. but IMO, the csx just has nicer trim than the civic ex so i'm not willing to jump to that price point
no it's not far from csx territory.. but IMO, the csx just has nicer trim than the civic ex so i'm not willing to jump to that price point
24-Jul-2006, 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by DumbasSi
I see. You should still get a decent trade-in for it. Pilot maybe?
I see. You should still get a decent trade-in for it. Pilot maybe?
