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25-Jun-2006, 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by kungfugrip
yup yup i know... but why laugh at a car that came factory with enough torque to take a gsr off the line? cars are made for a purpose and the SER serves its purpose.. im not sayin the VTEC system cant win.. but all im sayin is if ur gonna laugh at everyone that thinks their car is better then a honda why dont we all laugh at the VVTI system toyota has in their celicas? all im sayin is that if u have to do a swap in ur car to make it better then some stock car then u have no right to make fun of the car at all... thats my honest opinion.. thats like me doin all this **** to beat a ITR and laughin at it... i had to waste money to beat this car... i shouldnt be sayin anything bout it..and yes i drive a honda.. and? i just cant stand retards who think the vtec owns all... and know nothing else... read up on other makes design on the engine and know that their design isnt about imitating or beatin the vtec but more their own engineering to what they think the car would run best on and how it should be run under their own circumstances.... they designed it that way for a reason.. some like the engineering and some dont.. what can i say?
yup yup i know... but why laugh at a car that came factory with enough torque to take a gsr off the line? cars are made for a purpose and the SER serves its purpose.. im not sayin the VTEC system cant win.. but all im sayin is if ur gonna laugh at everyone that thinks their car is better then a honda why dont we all laugh at the VVTI system toyota has in their celicas? all im sayin is that if u have to do a swap in ur car to make it better then some stock car then u have no right to make fun of the car at all... thats my honest opinion.. thats like me doin all this **** to beat a ITR and laughin at it... i had to waste money to beat this car... i shouldnt be sayin anything bout it..and yes i drive a honda.. and? i just cant stand retards who think the vtec owns all... and know nothing else... read up on other makes design on the engine and know that their design isnt about imitating or beatin the vtec but more their own engineering to what they think the car would run best on and how it should be run under their own circumstances.... they designed it that way for a reason.. some like the engineering and some dont.. what can i say?
I totally agree with you. The problem is there are some kids on this forum who are 16 year olds, that proibably just swapped a B16 in their car and think vtec is MAD TITE Y0 (while burning out 1st up and down the street).
82000rpm is one thing... ever felt 9500rpm on a built motor? It sounds like your mad TYTE VTEC at 8200rpm, except the car is actually moving quickly...
(I'm currently hammered... and my sentences are still coherent. Damn gin and pooh naah knee. Such a wonderful mix.)
25-Jun-2006, 04:40 AM
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hahaha, look... his is getting out of control... it was a friendly post laughing at the ugly se-r... but, its cool nissan lovers... the only nissan i even liked was the quest... hahaha...
whatever, i am not some kid and not a honda loving idiot...well, honda loving, but smarter...
and who cares if a 16yr old buys a b16 and swaps it in its car... whats funny, is you are just are just jealous cause it reminds you when were driving your parents buick at 16 with no passengers... its cool, at least you had a atari to curb the loneliness... ahhh, memories of being taken off every light by classmates... probably didn't do too well for your gf situation Torrey... hopefully things worked out for you in the end... (<<<---- happy faces this time so TORREY and Callmesir are satisfied with the level of sarcasm)
just so you know...
read the first post again... i never straight up bashed the se-r... i was laughing at a webste that i read something off of... i was laughing at how the guy on the site compared the two...
yeah... to whoever thought i was serious about the dual-vtec is such a dumbass... SERIOUSLY... you think i am sitting here typing wearig a helmet or something? I didn't just buy a civic yesterday!
whatever, i am not some kid and not a honda loving idiot...well, honda loving, but smarter...
and who cares if a 16yr old buys a b16 and swaps it in its car... whats funny, is you are just are just jealous cause it reminds you when were driving your parents buick at 16 with no passengers... its cool, at least you had a atari to curb the loneliness... ahhh, memories of being taken off every light by classmates... probably didn't do too well for your gf situation Torrey... hopefully things worked out for you in the end... (<<<---- happy faces this time so TORREY and Callmesir are satisfied with the level of sarcasm)just so you know...
read the first post again... i never straight up bashed the se-r... i was laughing at a webste that i read something off of... i was laughing at how the guy on the site compared the two...
yeah... to whoever thought i was serious about the dual-vtec is such a dumbass... SERIOUSLY... you think i am sitting here typing wearig a helmet or something? I didn't just buy a civic yesterday!
25-Jun-2006, 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by 1nf4m0u5
us honda drivers have to attract soooo much attention if we want any go at all.
screaming at 8k down a street to really kick it always gathers unwanted attention.
us honda drivers have to attract soooo much attention if we want any go at all.
screaming at 8k down a street to really kick it always gathers unwanted attention.
But when I want to save gas (1.00+ a litre) I short shift and she turns into a sleeper.
But if I'm in VTEC and still under the speed limit, people (and the cops) all get agitated.
Like 2 engines in one. I'll take that anyday.
26-Jun-2006, 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Dawson
true cant get 36+ mpg or hit 8200rpm but the QR25DE in the sentra SER and spec V has a set of secondary butterflys thats is damn loud at around 5g kinda like nissans answer to vtec lol
true cant get 36+ mpg or hit 8200rpm but the QR25DE in the sentra SER and spec V has a set of secondary butterflys thats is damn loud at around 5g kinda like nissans answer to vtec lol
I HATE it when ppl say nissan and other companies have a type of VTEC when infact they don't. Intake flaps are hardly anything close to vtec. Unless it has two different cam lobe profiles to which it switches to at higher rpms, it's not vtec.Just had to get that off my chest...lol
The se-r is nothing special, it's heavy, has a huge displacement engine which get nowhere near 100hp/L, and it's ***-end is ugly.
26-Jun-2006, 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
I HATE it when ppl say nissan and other companies have a type of VTEC when infact they don't. Intake flaps are hardly anything close to vtec. Unless it has two different cam lobe profiles to which it switches to at higher rpms, it's not vtec.
Just had to get that off my chest...lol
The se-r is nothing special, it's heavy, has a huge displacement engine which get nowhere near 100hp/L, and it's ***-end is ugly.
I HATE it when ppl say nissan and other companies have a type of VTEC when infact they don't. Intake flaps are hardly anything close to vtec. Unless it has two different cam lobe profiles to which it switches to at higher rpms, it's not vtec.Just had to get that off my chest...lol
The se-r is nothing special, it's heavy, has a huge displacement engine which get nowhere near 100hp/L, and it's ***-end is ugly.
THANK YOU.. thats what i was freakin joking about and ppl took me seriously!!!
26-Jun-2006, 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by kungfugrip
...why dont we all laugh at the VVTI system toyota has in their celicas?...
...why dont we all laugh at the VVTI system toyota has in their celicas?...
First of all, I believe you meant to say VVTL-i, not VVT-i. There is a huge difference. The 1zz-fe engine wich is the VVT-i engine is in the base and GT model celicas as well as the corollas and base and XR model Matrix's, simply a 1.8L DOHC engine with variable valve timing, no lift like vtec. It produces about 126hp.
The engine you meant to say was the 2zz-ge, VVTL-i engine. Used in the celica GT-S and matrix/ corolla XRS models. It is a 1.8L DOHC engine with variable valve timing as well as lift (VTEC). It produces about 180hp.
The 2zz-ge engine uses a shim, which with oil pressure like the pin in hondas VTEC, slides the shim into the cam follower to switch over to the high performance cam lobe, just like vtec.
Now the 2zz's version of VTEC, or "lift", hits at a much higher rpm, from 6200rpm to 6700rpm, depending on which model and year of vehicle you buy. Also it is more agressive than hondas version. The step in hp when lift hits in the 2zz is much more noticable then that in honda motors.
Toyota has had this motor since the last gen celicas came out in 1999. This puts toyota one step ahead in 4 cylinder technology because they had variable valve timing AND lift, when at the time honda only had "lift" without variable valve timing. The honda came out with the latest i-VTEC, which is essentially very similar to toyota's variable valve timing and lift...
So as of today, toyota and honda are neck and neck with 4 cylinder technology....
My friend has a 2004 toyota matrix XRS with the 2zz-ge engine in it. He dyno'd at 170whp and 126ft-lbs. That was with only cold air intake. When we did a track day at st.thomas this past spring, my Sir was unbeaten by any ofthe XRS's in the group that came. The matrix is heavier than my civic and is more difficult to shift quicky, but given the power difference (170whp to maybe 140whp), this came as a surprise to every one.
Now i'm not saying than VTEC is the be-all and end-all of engines, because it isn't. When his matrix XRS and my SiR go head to head on an open highway, his 2zz will pull on my b16 every time, UNLESS i am drafting him, then we are glued together.
Just thought i'd inform you guys and give you some interesting info....
26-Jun-2006, 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by 95civic_hb
^ STOP THINKING VTEC IS THE SHIZNIT!
^ STOP THINKING VTEC IS THE SHIZNIT!
26-Jun-2006, 02:56 PM
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^^^^ the VVTL-I in the Celica's, aka VTEC system hits so late.... i couldnt believe it, it felt like there was not much for a powerband or that little hMmmPHH to get her going, i guess short gearing helps too!
26-Jun-2006, 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Chigga1
^^^^ the VVTL-I in the Celica's, aka VTEC system hits so late.... i couldnt believe it, it felt like there was not much for a powerband or that little hMmmPHH to get her going, i guess short gearing helps too!
^^^^ the VVTL-I in the Celica's, aka VTEC system hits so late.... i couldnt believe it, it felt like there was not much for a powerband or that little hMmmPHH to get her going, i guess short gearing helps too!
yea its freakin garbage.. i guys customers comin in here askin for "TRD" performance parts and bla bla lmao.. i straight tell them ur car sucks.. they put the 2zzfe motor in the corolla/matrix xrs now and they feel like crap.. they are fast tho once u get the car going.. 4AGE all the way!
now.. the 2GRFE.. these motors really boot i ****in love em!!
26-Jun-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Chigga1
^^^^ the VVTL-I in the Celica's, aka VTEC system hits so late.... i couldnt believe it, it felt like there was not much for a powerband or that little hMmmPHH to get her going, i guess short gearing helps too!
^^^^ the VVTL-I in the Celica's, aka VTEC system hits so late.... i couldnt believe it, it felt like there was not much for a powerband or that little hMmmPHH to get her going, i guess short gearing helps too!
It is a respectable engine....engineered very well...my friend had a lift controller on it at one point and he lowered the "lift" engagement to 5500....let me tell ya....it was pretty freakin quick!
kungfugrip: Don't bash other ppls cars like than man...especially the 2zzge. No matter what ppl drive, i don't tell them their car sucks.....not cool...
26-Jun-2006, 04:24 PM
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im not bashin no one.. no one drives a celica here.. i work at toyota and my honest opinion is they arent that great.. i got customers coming in askin for TRD stuff to make the car better cause they said it sucks... lmao.. then they ask me what i drive and i tell them and their all like "i shoulda got one of those" muhahhh muhahah, im speakin from my customers point of views 
EDIT: lol this thread needs to be closed.. it went from nissan vs honda now honda vs toyota.. hahahahh
EDIT: lol this thread needs to be closed.. it went from nissan vs honda now honda vs toyota.. hahahahh
26-Jun-2006, 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by kungfugrip
im not bashin no one.. no one drives a celica here.. i work at toyota and my honest opinion is they arent that great.. i got customers coming in askin for TRD stuff to make the car better cause they said it sucks... lmao.. then they ask me what i drive and i tell them and their all like "i shoulda got one of those" muhahhh muhahah, im speakin from my customers point of views
EDIT: lol this thread needs to be closed.. it went from nissan vs honda now honda vs toyota.. hahahahh
im not bashin no one.. no one drives a celica here.. i work at toyota and my honest opinion is they arent that great.. i got customers coming in askin for TRD stuff to make the car better cause they said it sucks... lmao.. then they ask me what i drive and i tell them and their all like "i shoulda got one of those" muhahhh muhahah, im speakin from my customers point of views
EDIT: lol this thread needs to be closed.. it went from nissan vs honda now honda vs toyota.. hahahahh
...LOL...I missunderstood what you were sayin....
Yeah I've heard of alot off ppl trading in their celery's (celicas) for RSX's cause the RSX is just way above the celica.
The 2zz-ge is a good engine though......but nothing compaired to the K20...
I rather enjoy threads like these, get into some heated debates etc....it's interesting to hear everyone's point of view
26-Jun-2006, 08:46 PM
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my buddy has a 04 RSX, and the VTEC system feels way different from the original VTEC... it doesnt feel like VTEC... but on the Type S... u can hear that sucker scream!
as for the Celica - even though there VTEC system hits late, its fly's once its going, i wont disrespect those cars b/c Toyota makes awesome cars... short gearing will help as well, and its pretty much quicker then a GSR!
and im not talkin about GSR swapped Hatches either...
as for the Celica - even though there VTEC system hits late, its fly's once its going, i wont disrespect those cars b/c Toyota makes awesome cars... short gearing will help as well, and its pretty much quicker then a GSR!
and im not talkin about GSR swapped Hatches either...
