YRP Complaint Letter - Warning Long Read!
30-Aug-2010, 12:27 PM
#22
Will do Mike, will do!!
30-Aug-2010, 12:30 PM
#23
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hahahah thats hilarious..... do you guys actually think she would submit that.... to the police?? let alone.. do you think she wouldnt get it proof read... it was jess mistake to post it up on here.... without proof reading it... this was the first copy of the letter not the final draft. Just comical how you guys are so quick to jump on the punctuation.... cuz lets be honest here.... thats what matters right?
Strike up another win for TCC!!!
Strike up another win for TCC!!!
30-Aug-2010, 12:52 PM
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30-Aug-2010, 01:07 PM
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How to get results; a step by step guide to getting a resolution when your rights have been violated.
Step 1: Contact the Ontario Human Rights Commission ... specifically, call their legal advisory centre (I have the number somewhere, currently going through them re: getting fired for having a miscarriage).
Step 2: Have the HRCO open a file in regards to this incident. The incident, by the way, is not that you were pulled over or ticketed wrongfully, but that he called you a ****. You may not have to follow up and actually go through the 6 month to 1 year + process of getting a resolution via the HRCO, but the action itself may spur the 2nd party reviewing your complaint in to proper action.
Step 3: Contact whomever it is you filed this complaint with and notify them that you're in contact with the HRCO Legal Advisory Centre, have opened a file on the issue, and will pursue the matter through the Human Rights Tribunal if you feel they can't come to a satisfactory resolution within the next 4-6 weeks, and tell them what you expect (see step 4 for what a satisfactory resolution is via these means).
Step 4: Wait 4-6 weeks. If this 2nd party reviewer hasn't contacted you then call them, find out what's going on, and if nothing has been resolved you call the HRCO back & file the necessary paperwork to take the YRP to town. In regards to what's considered a satisfactory resolution, you should be looking for something along the lines of a written apology from the officer and a public (broadcast on every Ontario news program) statement that the YRP is taking proactive steps to implement an educational program regarding sensitivity training, sexuality, and human rights. Anything less than this is unacceptable because this is the bare minimum the HRCO would order them to do.
Step 5: If it goes this far then pm me, I have become an epic expert over the past few months re: human rights and all of their silly paperwork. The beautiful part of the HRCO is you don't need a lawyer so other than photocopies and time it won't cost you anything to file the violation and get results.
Step 1: Contact the Ontario Human Rights Commission ... specifically, call their legal advisory centre (I have the number somewhere, currently going through them re: getting fired for having a miscarriage).
Step 2: Have the HRCO open a file in regards to this incident. The incident, by the way, is not that you were pulled over or ticketed wrongfully, but that he called you a ****. You may not have to follow up and actually go through the 6 month to 1 year + process of getting a resolution via the HRCO, but the action itself may spur the 2nd party reviewing your complaint in to proper action.
Step 3: Contact whomever it is you filed this complaint with and notify them that you're in contact with the HRCO Legal Advisory Centre, have opened a file on the issue, and will pursue the matter through the Human Rights Tribunal if you feel they can't come to a satisfactory resolution within the next 4-6 weeks, and tell them what you expect (see step 4 for what a satisfactory resolution is via these means).
Step 4: Wait 4-6 weeks. If this 2nd party reviewer hasn't contacted you then call them, find out what's going on, and if nothing has been resolved you call the HRCO back & file the necessary paperwork to take the YRP to town. In regards to what's considered a satisfactory resolution, you should be looking for something along the lines of a written apology from the officer and a public (broadcast on every Ontario news program) statement that the YRP is taking proactive steps to implement an educational program regarding sensitivity training, sexuality, and human rights. Anything less than this is unacceptable because this is the bare minimum the HRCO would order them to do.
Step 5: If it goes this far then pm me, I have become an epic expert over the past few months re: human rights and all of their silly paperwork. The beautiful part of the HRCO is you don't need a lawyer so other than photocopies and time it won't cost you anything to file the violation and get results.
30-Aug-2010, 01:16 PM
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From the original post, I too was under the impression that this was the letter that was being sent, not a first draft:
It seemed like Stev was only trying to help out, the criticism he gave was constructive and helpful, didn't look at all like a personal attack in any way...more like a friend trying to assist you, since you both know each other. I sort of thought it was cool of him to try and help out. We all know that this being a forum, people will express their opinions...some positive, some negative. 
Anyway, whatever happens, I hope it all works out for the best for you, Jessica.
Anyway, whatever happens, I hope it all works out for the best for you, Jessica.
30-Aug-2010, 02:09 PM
#28
hahahah thats hilarious..... do you guys actually think she would submit that.... to the police?? let alone.. do you think she wouldnt get it proof read... it was jess mistake to post it up on here.... without proof reading it... this was the first copy of the letter not the final draft. Just comical how you guys are so quick to jump on the punctuation.... cuz lets be honest here.... thats what matters right?
Strike up another win for TCC!!!
Strike up another win for TCC!!!
From the original post, I too was under the impression that this was the letter that was being sent, not a first draft:
It seemed like Stev was only trying to help out, the criticism he gave was constructive and helpful, didn't look at all like a personal attack in any way...more like a friend trying to assist you, since you both know each other. I sort of thought it was cool of him to try and help out. We all know that this being a forum, people will express their opinions...some positive, some negative.
Anyway, whatever happens, I hope it all works out for the best for you, Jessica.
It seemed like Stev was only trying to help out, the criticism he gave was constructive and helpful, didn't look at all like a personal attack in any way...more like a friend trying to assist you, since you both know each other. I sort of thought it was cool of him to try and help out. We all know that this being a forum, people will express their opinions...some positive, some negative.
Anyway, whatever happens, I hope it all works out for the best for you, Jessica.
30-Aug-2010, 02:10 PM
#29
How to get results; a step by step guide to getting a resolution when your rights have been violated.
Step 1: Contact the Ontario Human Rights Commission ... specifically, call their legal advisory centre (I have the number somewhere, currently going through them re: getting fired for having a miscarriage).
Step 2: Have the HRCO open a file in regards to this incident. The incident, by the way, is not that you were pulled over or ticketed wrongfully, but that he called you a ****. You may not have to follow up and actually go through the 6 month to 1 year + process of getting a resolution via the HRCO, but the action itself may spur the 2nd party reviewing your complaint in to proper action.
Step 3: Contact whomever it is you filed this complaint with and notify them that you're in contact with the HRCO Legal Advisory Centre, have opened a file on the issue, and will pursue the matter through the Human Rights Tribunal if you feel they can't come to a satisfactory resolution within the next 4-6 weeks, and tell them what you expect (see step 4 for what a satisfactory resolution is via these means).
Step 4: Wait 4-6 weeks. If this 2nd party reviewer hasn't contacted you then call them, find out what's going on, and if nothing has been resolved you call the HRCO back & file the necessary paperwork to take the YRP to town. In regards to what's considered a satisfactory resolution, you should be looking for something along the lines of a written apology from the officer and a public (broadcast on every Ontario news program) statement that the YRP is taking proactive steps to implement an educational program regarding sensitivity training, sexuality, and human rights. Anything less than this is unacceptable because this is the bare minimum the HRCO would order them to do.
Step 5: If it goes this far then pm me, I have become an epic expert over the past few months re: human rights and all of their silly paperwork. The beautiful part of the HRCO is you don't need a lawyer so other than photocopies and time it won't cost you anything to file the violation and get results.
Step 1: Contact the Ontario Human Rights Commission ... specifically, call their legal advisory centre (I have the number somewhere, currently going through them re: getting fired for having a miscarriage).
Step 2: Have the HRCO open a file in regards to this incident. The incident, by the way, is not that you were pulled over or ticketed wrongfully, but that he called you a ****. You may not have to follow up and actually go through the 6 month to 1 year + process of getting a resolution via the HRCO, but the action itself may spur the 2nd party reviewing your complaint in to proper action.
Step 3: Contact whomever it is you filed this complaint with and notify them that you're in contact with the HRCO Legal Advisory Centre, have opened a file on the issue, and will pursue the matter through the Human Rights Tribunal if you feel they can't come to a satisfactory resolution within the next 4-6 weeks, and tell them what you expect (see step 4 for what a satisfactory resolution is via these means).
Step 4: Wait 4-6 weeks. If this 2nd party reviewer hasn't contacted you then call them, find out what's going on, and if nothing has been resolved you call the HRCO back & file the necessary paperwork to take the YRP to town. In regards to what's considered a satisfactory resolution, you should be looking for something along the lines of a written apology from the officer and a public (broadcast on every Ontario news program) statement that the YRP is taking proactive steps to implement an educational program regarding sensitivity training, sexuality, and human rights. Anything less than this is unacceptable because this is the bare minimum the HRCO would order them to do.
Step 5: If it goes this far then pm me, I have become an epic expert over the past few months re: human rights and all of their silly paperwork. The beautiful part of the HRCO is you don't need a lawyer so other than photocopies and time it won't cost you anything to file the violation and get results.
30-Aug-2010, 02:35 PM
#30
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Doesn't matter if it's against an officer or not. The HRCO doesn't care who the accused is, they only care if your rights have been violated. The process is the same and takes the same amount of time (6 months to a year'ish), and they don't allow delays without very reasonable cause.
They also force a faster resolution than provincial court proceedings, and assign "punishments" that the provincial court can't (such things as human rights education for the police force, for instance, would be run of the mill for a HRCO proceeding but isn't something the provincial courts can order). You'd also receive financial compensation for hurt feelings, etc., usually around $10,000 but more or less depending on the severity of the violation and the proven ramifications it's had on you.
In short, you get more from the HRCO than you would in leaving it to the YRP to deal with on their own. However, you may get something done faster simply by letting the YRP know you've been in contact with the HRCO than you would by going through the HRCO for a resolution. It's a matter of how long you're willing to wait and what, precisely, you want to get out of it at the end.
Me? I'm taking my former employer through the **** storm right to the bitter end. Being capable of doing something doesn't mean they can get away with it, and in this day & age you would think (given the extensive labour & human rights laws protecting us) a woman could have a baby (or in my case a miscarriage) without fear of losing their job. In your case, you should be able to have an exchange with an officer of the law without being referred to in sexually derogatory terms.
Complaining about it without taking the matter fully to hand is as much a waste of time as couch politicians who complain about the laws they don't like but never do anything to affect change. If you agree with a law that's supposed to protect you then do something about it when the law fails you. It's not the point of the matter, Miss Jess, it's the principle. Fight for what's worth protecting, and fight for what's worth changing.
Quite frankly, I think our right to not be sexually discriminated against is worth fighting for ... especially when that discrimination is enacted by an officer of the law who's job it is to enforce the rights that are supposed to protect you.
They also force a faster resolution than provincial court proceedings, and assign "punishments" that the provincial court can't (such things as human rights education for the police force, for instance, would be run of the mill for a HRCO proceeding but isn't something the provincial courts can order). You'd also receive financial compensation for hurt feelings, etc., usually around $10,000 but more or less depending on the severity of the violation and the proven ramifications it's had on you.
In short, you get more from the HRCO than you would in leaving it to the YRP to deal with on their own. However, you may get something done faster simply by letting the YRP know you've been in contact with the HRCO than you would by going through the HRCO for a resolution. It's a matter of how long you're willing to wait and what, precisely, you want to get out of it at the end.
Me? I'm taking my former employer through the **** storm right to the bitter end. Being capable of doing something doesn't mean they can get away with it, and in this day & age you would think (given the extensive labour & human rights laws protecting us) a woman could have a baby (or in my case a miscarriage) without fear of losing their job. In your case, you should be able to have an exchange with an officer of the law without being referred to in sexually derogatory terms.
Complaining about it without taking the matter fully to hand is as much a waste of time as couch politicians who complain about the laws they don't like but never do anything to affect change. If you agree with a law that's supposed to protect you then do something about it when the law fails you. It's not the point of the matter, Miss Jess, it's the principle. Fight for what's worth protecting, and fight for what's worth changing.
Quite frankly, I think our right to not be sexually discriminated against is worth fighting for ... especially when that discrimination is enacted by an officer of the law who's job it is to enforce the rights that are supposed to protect you.
30-Aug-2010, 02:51 PM
#31
Doesn't matter if it's against an officer or not. The HRCO doesn't care who the accused is, they only care if your rights have been violated. The process is the same and takes the same amount of time (6 months to a year'ish), and they don't allow delays without very reasonable cause.
They also force a faster resolution than provincial court proceedings, and assign "punishments" that the provincial court can't (such things as human rights education for the police force, for instance, would be run of the mill for a HRCO proceeding but isn't something the provincial courts can order). You'd also receive financial compensation for hurt feelings, etc., usually around $10,000 but more or less depending on the severity of the violation and the proven ramifications it's had on you.
In short, you get more from the HRCO than you would in leaving it to the YRP to deal with on their own. However, you may get something done faster simply by letting the YRP know you've been in contact with the HRCO than you would by going through the HRCO for a resolution. It's a matter of how long you're willing to wait and what, precisely, you want to get out of it at the end.
Me? I'm taking my former employer through the **** storm right to the bitter end. Being capable of doing something doesn't mean they can get away with it, and in this day & age you would think (given the extensive labour & human rights laws protecting us) a woman could have a baby (or in my case a miscarriage) without fear of losing their job. In your case, you should be able to have an exchange with an officer of the law without being referred to in sexually derogatory terms.
Complaining about it without taking the matter fully to hand is as much a waste of time as couch politicians who complain about the laws they don't like but never do anything to affect change. If you agree with a law that's supposed to protect you then do something about it when the law fails you. It's not the point of the matter, Miss Jess, it's the principle. Fight for what's worth protecting, and fight for what's worth changing.
Quite frankly, I think our right to not be sexually discriminated against is worth fighting for ... especially when that discrimination is enacted by an officer of the law who's job it is to enforce the rights that are supposed to protect you.
They also force a faster resolution than provincial court proceedings, and assign "punishments" that the provincial court can't (such things as human rights education for the police force, for instance, would be run of the mill for a HRCO proceeding but isn't something the provincial courts can order). You'd also receive financial compensation for hurt feelings, etc., usually around $10,000 but more or less depending on the severity of the violation and the proven ramifications it's had on you.
In short, you get more from the HRCO than you would in leaving it to the YRP to deal with on their own. However, you may get something done faster simply by letting the YRP know you've been in contact with the HRCO than you would by going through the HRCO for a resolution. It's a matter of how long you're willing to wait and what, precisely, you want to get out of it at the end.
Me? I'm taking my former employer through the **** storm right to the bitter end. Being capable of doing something doesn't mean they can get away with it, and in this day & age you would think (given the extensive labour & human rights laws protecting us) a woman could have a baby (or in my case a miscarriage) without fear of losing their job. In your case, you should be able to have an exchange with an officer of the law without being referred to in sexually derogatory terms.
Complaining about it without taking the matter fully to hand is as much a waste of time as couch politicians who complain about the laws they don't like but never do anything to affect change. If you agree with a law that's supposed to protect you then do something about it when the law fails you. It's not the point of the matter, Miss Jess, it's the principle. Fight for what's worth protecting, and fight for what's worth changing.
Quite frankly, I think our right to not be sexually discriminated against is worth fighting for ... especially when that discrimination is enacted by an officer of the law who's job it is to enforce the rights that are supposed to protect you.
I will look into HRCO. I really don't want any money out of this... I don't think its necessary. Were my feelings hurt? Yeah, they were. Anyone who was around that night saw how bothered I was. But I don't want to sue them or recieved money out of it. I really just want to make a complaint and get an apology. I don't want officer's thinking they can go around and insulting anyone they please. THAT is what upsets me... he can call me a ****, but what is he calling the next person he pulls over. I took it well, what if he said that about some other person and they took it in a different way? The situation could have been so much worse then it was. I just hate that this type of crap still happens.
30-Aug-2010, 04:25 PM
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shouldn't use personal pix... not appropriate... specially since... u dont even know who I am... so... before you jump to conclusions... my name is Will... u know the black mazda 3... jess friend.. bf.. whatever you wanna call me.. 
as for you having that readily available...well the second part is pretty much self explanatory... lol
as for you having that readily available...well the second part is pretty much self explanatory... lol
30-Aug-2010, 04:31 PM
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From the original post, I too was under the impression that this was the letter that was being sent, not a first draft:
It seemed like Stev was only trying to help out, the criticism he gave was constructive and helpful, didn't look at all like a personal attack in any way...more like a friend trying to assist you, since you both know each other. I sort of thought it was cool of him to try and help out. We all know that this being a forum, people will express their opinions...some positive, some negative.
Anyway, whatever happens, I hope it all works out for the best for you, Jessica.
It seemed like Stev was only trying to help out, the criticism he gave was constructive and helpful, didn't look at all like a personal attack in any way...more like a friend trying to assist you, since you both know each other. I sort of thought it was cool of him to try and help out. We all know that this being a forum, people will express their opinions...some positive, some negative.
Anyway, whatever happens, I hope it all works out for the best for you, Jessica.
30-Aug-2010, 06:05 PM
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First off, i see a problem within your statement. As you stated "you were DRIVING a VEHICLE" therefore, you may have ignored the "Right to travel".
I wish i was there to school the so called "Peace Officer".
For necessity to obtain a License, one must be within operation of Commerce, which is; to be employed by a corporation which DEMANDS possession of a Driver's License.
I can help, though you and your peers must learn legal terms and claim jurisdiction. Acts and Statutes were designed to govern the government, NOT the people on public space. Ask anything you wish Jess.
I wish i was there to school the so called "Peace Officer".
For necessity to obtain a License, one must be within operation of Commerce, which is; to be employed by a corporation which DEMANDS possession of a Driver's License.
I can help, though you and your peers must learn legal terms and claim jurisdiction. Acts and Statutes were designed to govern the government, NOT the people on public space. Ask anything you wish Jess.
Last edited by Trybal; 30-Aug-2010 at 06:14 PM.
30-Aug-2010, 07:43 PM
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Trybal, the right to travel in Canada only supersedes provincial and/or municipal statues/acts/regulations if and when it involves a human rights violation re: being denied residence due to race/sex/etc. Yes that's a generalization, but the fact remains that at no point in time did the officer intervene in her "right to travel" as defined by the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms.
30-Aug-2010, 08:00 PM
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Trybal, the right to travel in Canada only supersedes provincial and/or municipal statues/acts/regulations if and when it involves a human rights violation re: being denied residence due to race/sex/etc. Yes that's a generalization, but the fact remains that at no point in time did the officer intervene in her "right to travel" as defined by the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms.
Last edited by Trybal; 30-Aug-2010 at 08:10 PM.
