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YRP Complaint Letter - Warning Long Read!

So I figured I would share with you my ongoing issue with York Regional Police.

I was at the Option JDM BBQ with a bunch of my friends... we stayed quite late. I think we were all the last people in the parking lot. We all decided to relocate to the Tim Horton’s at 16th and Woodbine... this idea turned out to be quite the mistake. There was about 10ish of use. Half of them took off about 15 minutes earlier then myself and a few friends. So there were 4 of us left. We all started to cruise down Woodbine when we got pulled over. I'm not going to get into detail, however I have copied and paste my complaint letter and you will get a full understanding of what happened.

I went to the Markham Station (by Markville Mall) last Thursday to file my formal complaint... turns out it is quite the lengthy process. I'm not really in the mood to deal with all this, however, its principle now.



August 16th, 2010

York Regional Police
District Five Headquarters, Markham
8700 McCowan Road
Markham, Ontario L3P 3J3
Reference Number: 1126907Z

Dear York Regional Police,

This letter is my formal complaint with the recent encounter that took place with York Regional Police Officer Gray, badge number 1458, on Saturday August 14th, 2010 at approximately 9:30PM.

I was driving Northbound on Woodbine Avenue just South of 16th Avenue with three friends, each of which were situated in their own automobiles: William G******, 2005 Mazda 3; Kris B******, 2005 Subaru WRX; Krikor T*****, 1992 Honda Civic.

As we all approached Millbrook Gate, an intersection controlled with a set of traffic lights, which turned red upon our arrival. Myself, including Kris B****** and Krikor T***** all stopped at the light, fortunately for William G******, he didn’t have to stop and he did not witness this disgraceful occurrence.

Officer Gray already had two automobiles pulled over on Woodbine Avenue when the above mentioned were stopped at the red traffic light, this is when Officer Gray approached us. He walked away from the other two vehicles, and knocked on Krikor T*****’s window directing him to pull over, he then look at Kris B****** and myself and hand gestured us to also pull over, giving no justification.

As ordered, we all drove our automobiles onto Millbrook Gate. Officer Gray was still with the other two vehicles on Woodbine Avenue. Kris, Krikor and I all got out of our vehicles as we were confused as to what was going on and had no guidance on what to do. At this time, Officer Gray, solely, had five vehicles pulled over. When exiting my vehicle, I asked loudly, since previously mentioned the officer was busy with the other individuals, why we got pulled over. With no response from the officer, my friends talked about what was going on and came to our own personal conclusion as to why we were being wrongfully targeted by Officer Gray.

After approximately five minutes, Officer Gray finished with the other two individuals and moved over to where we had parked on Millbrook Gate. When Officer Gray approached us, I asked him why we were pulled over, to which Officer Gray replied in a rude manor, ‘vehicle check’. I had questioned his response, as I felt his rationalization was not a vehicle check but solely to harass individuals who drive what has been classified as a modified vehicle. When I asked Officer Gray the same question shortly after, he responded in a belligerent manor, that I was not getting off to a good start and to get my license, registration and insurance. Kris, Krikor and I all went back to our own vehicles to obtain our necessary paper work. Officer Gray walked back to his vehicle and we all gave him what he had requested. When I handed him my paper work, he told me I had to sit in my automobile for the rest of the time. This order was only given to me, as he did not order anyone else to sit in the vehicle.

My approach to the situation might have seem hostile to Officer Gray and for that he is mistaken as and please correct me if I am wrong, but as a Canadian citizen, is it not my right to ask why I was pulled over, and if it is not understood the first time, it could be explained again in terms I were to understand?

After Officer Gray exited his vehicle, he approached my vehicle asking me to pop my hood, which I complied. Using his flashlight, he quickly glimpsed at the components under my hood and asked me to close it and sit back in my car. Officer Gray had requested both Kris and Krikor to open both their hoods, which they both complied. Officer Gray then walked back to his vehicle.

Krikor then approached my window to discuss with me what Officer Gray told him. Officer Gray told Krikor that he had no catalytic convertor, which confused Krikor as Officer Gray looked at the rear of Krikor vehicle for the said missing catalytic convertor. This is not an automotive part that is fully visible from this area and if wanting to locate this auto component, it is best to look where is it actually located. Krikor had mentioned to Officer Gray that his is not the case; the only thing wrong with his exhaust is a small exhaust leak which was being repaired shortly. Considering Officer Gray had mentioned this was a vehicle check, his knowledge of vehicles should be high if he is going to be accusing individuals of not having necessary parts on their vehicle and most important, look under the car laying on the group to get a full view of all parts on the vehicle.

Kris had also approached my vehicle at this time to explain to me what Officer Gray had told him. Kris was accused of having improper tires. The tires on Kris’s vehicle are the proper size for his vehicle. Officer Gray pointed out to Kris that there was tire residue on his fender which shows the tires were rubbing. However, the residue Officer Gray was referring too was tire shine, which has a tendency to show up, especially on the white automobile. Again, this was supposed to be a vehicle check, Officer Gray seemed to be accusing Krikor and Kris of wrongdoings to their automobiles.

Officer Gray approached my vehicle after some time of being in his and handed me a ticket for an improper muffler. I questioned Officer Gray what was wrong with my muffler. He told me it was a straight pipe which was illegal. I told Officer Gray that this ticket is then invalid as my exhaust is not a straight pipe. He did not get on his hands and knees to do a proper vehicle check, which is why he originally pulled us over. He came up with stories as to hand out these tickets. He then chuckled and said that I had no baffles, which again I told Officer Gray that he was wrong and I had baffles and that he didn’t check. Officer Gray then changed his mind for the third time telling me canister style exhausts are illegal. At no time in our discussion did Officer Gray defend himself saying he properly checked the vehicles before issuing all the tickets. Officer Gray then in a forceful manor told me next time I am in his face and yelling at him I will be arrested. To my defensive, I replied and said that he had ordered me to sit in my automobile throughout entire ordeal and at no time was I ‘in his face’. He then repeated himself asking me if I wanted to be arrested.

I must respectfully state that this is now turning into what I feel, harassment. Officer Gray had only spoken to me in an antagonistic way and being the only female there I felt as though I was a target. He spoke down to me in such a way as though I had no knowledge of my vehicle or the laws involved. Having a badge does not give the power or the right to belittle others in such rude and crude manors.

With noticeable frustration as I felt I was the target of the entire occasion, again being the only female and being the only one spoken to in such a disrespectful manor leading me to believe Officer Gray had an personal issue with me. I asked Officer Gray if I was allowed to leave, he told me yes.
Happily to leave the shocking situation, I pulled away. Officer Gray then turned to my Kris and Krikor, and I quote, “Are you guys actually friends with her, wow she is a ****, if I knew her exhaust was that loud I would have given her more tickets.”

Your officers are out there to “serve and protect” not to pull over and insult!

I truly hope York Regional Police does not condone this type of behavior or language and consider these shovanisitic slurs just as inappropriate as racial ones!

It is sad that in today’s society that one can still be so closed minded when generalizing not only a group but also an individual. After this recent encounter it would be wrong for me to generalize that all officers from your division are just as unprofessional as Officer Gray. I expected a much higher level of maturity, respect and professionalism from Officer Gray, obviously I was wrong.

In conclusion, the stoppage of Kris B******, Krikor T***** and I were totally inappropriate and the arguments expounded by the officer for stopping us are totally bogus. I honestly believe that the stopping of our car and the words and actions of the officer mentioned above border on harassment.
Sincerely,

Jessica Burton

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cops can stop anyone they want.

But yah, unfortunate.

Won't go anywhere though
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chauvinistic**
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chauvinistic**
nope that's wrong.... it's shovanisitic. i checked goggle.
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One cop pulled me for having modifications. I knew he was full of **** when he asked me if my insurance company was aware that I have a skirt package on my vehicle.... Anyways, some cops are dicks some are cool. I've had numorous occasions (ride program, warning pull overs etc.) where the officers actually complimented my car and told me I did a good job and kept it clean.... I still think for every good cop there are 5 bad cops screwin ppl over...
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wow thats pretty shitty. it seems that most dont play by the rules. I hope something gets sorted out for you in the better direction, if this York Regional Police Officer Gray does this stuff during his shift, in my opinion i think should have his authority reviewed. you are supposed to be able to rely on these people.
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Womp womp. You own a honda, deal with it
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i hate to hear these stories! don't police have anything better to do? it's not like you and your buddies ran the red, were driving eratically and what not. just another cop power trippin'
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wow thats whack
hope something works out
usually doesnt all these cops get away with ****
u probably hear about it then "disappears"
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sorry to hear that it sucks for sure.

Today, I almost got pulled over but since I have a clean title the cops will fall behind me, run my plates and then leave but today was a different story lol.

I was in burlington driving on lakeshore with my GF and her friend following behind me, playing my music kinda loud and a cop passes me going in the other direction not even 15 seconds pass and I check my rear view to see if my GF is still behind me and I see the police car cut off my GF just to get right behind me and Im like woow illegal and highly dangerous.

anyway the cop followed me for 6km and a one point pulled up beside my car staring at me and I just looked back at him shaking my head. since I knew there was no real reason to pull me over and thats why he didnt/ really couldnt. it suck cause I never had it this bad in my all black, super blacked out windows SLAMMED 240sx...its true that what you get for driving a honda
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jeeez jess i just read through this ****, i sincerely hope you didn't copy/paste what you sent. Next time get your **** edited, or just tell someone else the situation and have them type it up. And then get it edited.

"To my defensive, I replied..."

"...must respectfully state that this is now turning..." should be past tense, should be "this was now turning" because it happened in the past.

"...having a badge does not give the power or the right..." should be "does not give one the right"

"Happily to leave the shocking situation, I pulled away." really? happily to leave?

" Officer Gray then turned to my Kris and Krikor," awww your Kris? and your Krikor? that's sweet.

"wow she is a ****," probably better than a pnut, but not as good as a walnut. unless he called you a c u n t, then press charges.

"and consider these shovanisitic slurs" should be "considers" as YRP is being used in the singular, the "s" denotes ownership. eg. "Jess considers the stock exhaust useless so she changed her exhaust to an aftermarket one the cop recognized and got booked for it." we've already pointed out chauvinistic.

"I expected a much higher level of maturity, respect and professionalism from Officer Gray, obviously I was wrong." should be two sentences, "...Gray. Obviously..." but that's just nitpicking.



plus the tone of it is antagonizing. I wasn't there so let me summarize it from what you wrote. he had 2 cars pulled over for whatever reason and he saw 5 modified cars at the light. maybe he heard a loud exhaust idle, who gives a ****. he pulled you guys over for a quick vehicle inspection as is his job, maybe he was shopping around for an exhaust previously and recognized persia's? maybe he knows it's not sold with a cat converter? maybe if you had stayed in the car and asked in a normal tone of voice he would have answered you back? I do that **** when I get pulled over and the cop usually has a conversation with me and gives me an out because he's happy to be dealing with an easy case. one gave me a ticket and suggested I take it to court, his body language suggested that he would not show up. the exception was when one was resting his hand on his gun and I asked him if it was necessary and that it made me uncomfortable. he was legitimately resting his hand without thinking and when I pointed it out he got pissed and made me tow it. no ticket though.

basically I'm wondering if you got any response. If I was the cop's supervisor I would chuck it, and if you were a client talking to me like that over the phone at Bell i wouldn't help you.

next time, and lets hope there are no next times, get a second party to write it out so it's not so aggressive. what you want is passive, conversational, and paint yourself as a helpless victim who needs their assistance. a second party would by definition be removed enough from the situation to not sound pissed when writing it.

this will read like i'm flaming you or something but you know we're friends and I'm just looking out for you. you're dealing with the police. take it more seriously and think before you react.

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jeeez jess i just read through this ****, i sincerely hope you didn't copy/paste what you sent. Next time get your **** edited, or just tell someone else the situation and have them type it up. And then get it edited.

"To my defensive, I replied..."

"...must respectfully state that this is now turning..." should be past tense, should be "this was now turning" because it happened in the past.

"...having a badge does not give the power or the right..." should be "does not give one the right"

"Happily to leave the shocking situation, I pulled away." really? happily to leave?

" Officer Gray then turned to my Kris and Krikor," awww your Kris? and your Krikor? that's sweet.

"wow she is a ****," probably better than a pnut, but not as good as a walnut. unless he called you a c u n t, then press charges.

"and consider these shovanisitic slurs" should be "considers" as YRP is being used in the singular, the "s" denotes ownership. eg. "Jess considers the stock exhaust useless so she changed her exhaust to an aftermarket one the cop recognized and got booked for it." we've already pointed out chauvinistic.

"I expected a much higher level of maturity, respect and professionalism from Officer Gray, obviously I was wrong." should be two sentences, "...Gray. Obviously..." but that's just nitpicking.



plus the tone of it is antagonizing. I wasn't there so let me summarize it from what you wrote. he had 2 cars pulled over for whatever reason and he saw 5 modified cars at the light. maybe he heard a loud exhaust idle, who gives a ****. he pulled you guys over for a quick vehicle inspection as is his job, maybe he was shopping around for an exhaust previously and recognized persia's? maybe he knows it's not sold with a cat converter? maybe if you had stayed in the car and asked in a normal tone of voice he would have answered you back? I do that **** when I get pulled over and the cop usually has a conversation with me and gives me an out because he's happy to be dealing with an easy case. one gave me a ticket and suggested I take it to court, his body language suggested that he would not show up. the exception was when one was resting his hand on his gun and I asked him if it was necessary and that it made me uncomfortable. he was legitimately resting his hand without thinking and when I pointed it out he got pissed and made me tow it. no ticket though.

basically I'm wondering if you got any response. If I was the cop's supervisor I would chuck it, and if you were a client talking to me like that over the phone at Bell i wouldn't help you.

next time, and lets hope there are no next times, get a second party to write it out so it's not so aggressive. what you want is passive, conversational, and paint yourself as a helpless victim who needs their assistance. a second party would by definition be removed enough from the situation to not sound pissed when writing it.

this will read like i'm flaming you or something but you know we're friends and I'm just looking out for you. you're dealing with the police. take it more seriously and think before you react.
A very constructive post, Stev.
Cool of you to take the time to help out a friend.
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jeeez jess i just read through this ****, i sincerely hope you didn't copy/paste what you sent. Next time get your **** edited, or just tell someone else the situation and have them type it up. And then get it edited.

"To my defensive, I replied..."

"...must respectfully state that this is now turning..." should be past tense, should be "this was now turning" because it happened in the past.

"...having a badge does not give the power or the right..." should be "does not give one the right"

"Happily to leave the shocking situation, I pulled away." really? happily to leave?

" Officer Gray then turned to my Kris and Krikor," awww your Kris? and your Krikor? that's sweet.
I am not looking for an English teacher, but thanks for your lack of educational responces.

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"wow she is a ****," probably better than a pnut, but not as good as a walnut. unless he called you a c u n t, then press charges.
WTF is a walnut? READ the story again, he called me a ****. DUH!

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"and consider these shovanisitic slurs" should be "considers" as YRP is being used in the singular, the "s" denotes ownership. eg. "Jess considers the stock exhaust useless so she changed her exhaust to an aftermarket one the cop recognized and got booked for it." we've already pointed out chauvinistic.
I have NO idea what you are talking about here.

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"I expected a much higher level of maturity, respect and professionalism from Officer Gray, obviously I was wrong." should be two sentences, "...Gray. Obviously..." but that's just nitpicking.
Oh, did you miss the part were I said this was a lengthy process? (meaning, this letter hasn't even been seen by YRP yet)

Since you think you know, but have no idea, the whole complaint process is done by a 3rd party company. I submit my complaint through them and they review it.

This letter is MY story. It is not completed yet, its a work in progess.

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plus the tone of it is antagonizing. I wasn't there so let me summarize it from what you wrote. he had 2 cars pulled over for whatever reason and he saw 5 modified cars at the light. maybe he heard a loud exhaust idle, who gives a ****. he pulled you guys over for a quick vehicle inspection as is his job, maybe he was shopping around for an exhaust previously and recognized persia's? maybe he knows it's not sold with a cat converter? maybe if you had stayed in the car and asked in a normal tone of voice he would have answered you back? I do that **** when I get pulled over and the cop usually has a conversation with me and gives me an out because he's happy to be dealing with an easy case. one gave me a ticket and suggested I take it to court, his body language suggested that he would not show up. the exception was when one was resting his hand on his gun and I asked him if it was necessary and that it made me uncomfortable. he was legitimately resting his hand without thinking and when I pointed it out he got pissed and made me tow it. no ticket though.
cool story, bro

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basically I'm wondering if you got any response. If I was the cop's supervisor I would chuck it, and if you were a client talking to me like that over the phone at Bell i wouldn't help you.
then you would be fired... good choice.

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next time, and lets hope there are no next times, get a second party to write it out so it's not so aggressive. what you want is passive, conversational, and paint yourself as a helpless victim who needs their assistance. a second party would by definition be removed enough from the situation to not sound pissed when writing it.
this is the only useful thing you have written

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this will read like i'm flaming you or something but you know we're friends and I'm just looking out for you. you're dealing with the police. take it more seriously and think before you react.
I take everything seriously... all my friends know that.
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did he really call you a ****?

i was just trying to help, I thought that was what you typed to them. i didn't read it before but when i did I was like you can't be serious.

but anyway how does it work? do you just call the 3rd party and let them know what the situation is and they take it from there?
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well so far my decision making has been great in life and this one was one of them, to not go for coffee

but i feel for you jess, as i have already told you, i was pulled over by the same cop few weeks ago, he is a total jerk for sure.
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did he really call you a ****?
why would I lie?

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i was just trying to help, I thought that was what you typed to them. i didn't read it before but when i did I was like you can't be serious.
It was my first letter, meh should have known the interwebs was serious business. Should have proofed it prior to posting it.

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but anyway how does it work? do you just call the 3rd party and let them know what the situation is and they take it from there?
They use a 3rd party so its non bias. Me complaining about an officer, to an officer, well they are bound to stick up for each other. I don't really know the full process as I have never had to deal with this before. But I will keep everyone updated when I learn more and what not.
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It was my first letter, meh should have known the interwebs was serious business.
f*ck the interwebs, i'm not from there. maybe i should have called you or txt'd you or maybe even pm'd you before replying in a public forum... mybad
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