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Old 12-May-2004, 03:50 AM
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regarding papers for swaps, i remember reading that for JDM motors there are no papers. What happens if you pulled over and they start checking under the hood??
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EDIT: If your engine does not have a VIN IT IS ILLEGAL! even if your engine is from a legit car if there is no vin it is illegal and your car will be impounded [/B][/QUOTE]


If u were to go to honda and pick up a new tranny or a tranny case, there would be no vin plate on it. I think, if u have papers stating the vin # and where the motor came out from, the vin # can be corresponded to the matchin serial # on the block itself through Honda Canada, in which case it's legit.


^ and also, ive seen a load of JDM motors without VIN's
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Old 14-May-2004, 02:40 AM
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so is there any way around the VIN problem if you've got a JDM motor swapped in?
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Old 23-May-2004, 12:07 PM
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good post man
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Old 31-May-2004, 11:15 PM
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Yeah must say that this is a great topic that applies to everyone. One tip for people who want to use a breather filter is to connect a vacuum line to the head and run it behind or under something, so that the filter itself is hidden. And BTW, dark tints make it harder to see that the car behind you has extra lights on its roof. Good luck everyone.
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Originally posted by iam_immigrant
so is there any way around the VIN problem if you've got a JDM motor swapped in?
anybody know the answer to this? i wanna know also...
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Old 04-Jun-2004, 04:51 PM
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i got a improper mufflerticket yesterday, the cop siad i t was illeagal be cause there was no baffles. the muffler is ur typical fireball style can, straight thru design with that mesh stuff...
isnt that mesh stuff some sort of baffle?
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Old 05-Jun-2004, 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by mattharper
i got a improper mufflerticket yesterday, the cop siad i t was illeagal be cause there was no baffles. the muffler is ur typical fireball style can, straight thru design with that mesh stuff...
isnt that mesh stuff some sort of baffle?

Straight-through, hollywood-style mufflers are specifically mentioned in the HTA as being illegal.

Any other type of muffler can also be deemed illegal if it fails to reasonably muffle your exhaust note. The cop writing the ticket gets to decide what consititutes "reasonable". You get to go to court if you disagree.
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Old 07-Jun-2004, 01:01 AM
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I swapped another dash into my car, so the VIN on the dash isn't the vin for the car... would cops hassle me for that?
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Old 07-Jun-2004, 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by twizzlerboy
I swapped another dash into my car, so the VIN on the dash isn't the vin for the car... would cops hassle me for that?

Why didn't you swap VINs when you swapped dashes?

Right now, the VIN on your dash doesn't match the VIN on your ownership. What do you think will go through a cop's mind if he should decide to check the VIN on the ownership against that on the car?
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After reading through this post I found it very informative. I am still a bit shacky on the whole exhaust thing. I have an aftermarket straight through design. So basically its not illegal unless the cop deams it as being too loud or if there is a leak?
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Old 07-Jun-2004, 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Moe_Mentum
After reading through this post I found it very informative. I am still a bit shacky on the whole exhaust thing. I have an aftermarket straight through design. So basically its not illegal unless the cop deams it as being too loud or if there is a leak?


Straight-through mufflers are specifically mentioned in the HTA as being unacceptable.


75. (1) Every motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle shall be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon a motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (1).
Now... if you still get pulled over and ticketed knowing this, it's all on you, not on the cops....
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Im just wondering will they pull you over if you are driving really slow like 20 on a 40?
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Im just wondering will they pull you over if you are driving really slow like 20 on a 40?

And why would you want to do that?
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And why would you want to do that?
didnt say I did that, I said Im wondering if they will pull you over. They stop you for speeding right, how about for driving slow.
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didnt say I did that, I said Im wondering if they will pull you over. They stop you for speeding right, how about for driving slow.

They can...

132. (1) No motor vehicle shall be driven on a highway at such a slow rate of speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic thereon except when the slow rate of speed is necessary for safe operation having regard to all the circumstances. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 132 (1).
Fine is $90 plus court costs and victim surcharge, or $125 plus costs and surcharge if you get nailed in a community safety zone.

By the way, the term "highway" means any public road or street, urban or rural.
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so what's the right speed? 35-45 on a 40?
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Originally posted by Aero
so what's the right speed? 35-45 on a 40?

40 in a 40, or whatever the sign says.

Anything significantly less for no good reason could unreasonably impede the flow of traffic. Anything more sets you up for a speeding ticket, especially in a school zone where they may be more likely to practice absolute zero tolerance for any degree of speeding.
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40 in a 40, or whatever the sign says.

Anything significantly less for no good reason could unreasonably impede the flow of traffic. Anything more sets you up for a speeding ticket, especially in a school zone where they may be more likely to practice absolute zero tolerance for any degree of speeding.
so the sign saying maximum of 40 is not really "maximum of 40" you have to be running 40 on the dot? it should me "must be running 40"
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so the sign saying maximum of 40 is not really "maximum of 40" you have to be running 40 on the dot? it should me "must be running 40"

Think about it... the speed limit on the 401 is 100. If you're doing 90, you won't get a ticket as long as you stay in the right lane. There are multiple lanes that others can use as passing lanes. But if you're doing 60 or 70 or even just 80 in otherwise good driving conditions, and assuming you're not rear-ended first, you will get pulled over and ticketed because that speed is unreasonably slow.

Driving 70 in a single-lane 80 zone will soon cause traffic to back up behind you, especially if there are no easy passing zones available. If your driving below the speed limits causes a significant back-up of traffic behind you, you need to pull off the road occasionally to let that backed-up traffic by you. If you don't, you're impeding the reasonable flow of traffic and you can be ticketed for that.

Doing 20 in a residential zone just for the hell of it is also unreasonably slow.

The whole thing isn't about blindly sticking to a limit. It's about facilitating the reasonable and free flow of traffic for all road users. That means you should be driving at or very near the limit unless there are significant reasons why you can't.

Poor road conditions due to ice, or poor visibility due to heavy rain/snow/fog are all valid reasons to drive below the maximum speed limit. But just tooling along well below the limit in good driving conditions is not only rude and illegal, but it also creates an unsafe condition for other traffic when they come up behind what is essentially a moving obstacle in the road, and then have to try and find a way around that inconsiderate lout.
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