Summer is around the corner... share your knowledge on the law!!!! *READ ENTHUSIATES*
21-Feb-2004, 07:45 PM
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Summer is around the corner... share your knowledge on the law!!!! *READ ENTHUSIATES*
Ok.... summer is right around the corner and what does that mean... TICKET SEASON!!
Well... I thought I should make a thread which will help our club avoid tickets and know the law by which they are bound by so you can be intelligent when getting pulled over.
This post can be a refference and a guide to help you for future pull over's and traffic stops.
I know there are law experts on this board, and a lot of intelligent people when it comes to the law... so please post up your views and ideas to keep us out of trouble.
Ive been through a lot of police problems involving my civic which I used to own, and even now my new crx I just bought.
#1. when you get pulled over, be polite. No matter how pissed off you are, show the officer respect (even if you have none for them) because once they get attitude (trust me i know i have a temper) they will automatically consider you mouthy, which makes them want to get you on anything they can.
Just be polite, "no sir, yes sir, three bags more sir" you get the idea...
A tip... a lot of police remember cars surprisngly, and they remember your areas where you hang out. If you **** off a cop once, and get caught for something, chances are they will find you again and try and get you again. All police talk, and they want to keep eachother informed of trouble makers, so say a cop gets you for a headlight but just warns you, well get that headlight fixed asap because that cop surprisingly enough will go to where he stopped you first and wait for you and if you don;t have it fixed, he will get it. They have to make their quota and if they know of a guranteed ticket, they will be there.
#2. No cop can push you around. If you get stopped and you have no clue why, say your just driving down a street in a 50km zone and your going 40 km, well then just pull over and get your stuff ready for him to look at. Dont be affraid if you see those cherries light up behind you. Nothing is set in stone until the courts determine so. just sit back and relax and be calm and polite with the cop.
TRUST Me, I have been through over around 15 minor tickets, and only 2 have actually held through and I lost out around 200 bucks.
If a police officer gets you for an improper muffler, first off ask him how he determined if it was improper. He will probably give you a bull**** excuse well you just politely say "ok, thank you officer". Then the next day you go to youir Justice of Peace (dont be affraid to go there its what you SHOULD do) You walk in, apply for a court date, and then wait a few weeks for a court date which will be months later. Now the ticket is pending. Basically chill until that date and get all the information you can on your muffler and its legalitty. Most aftermarket mufflers are legal, as long as they are under i think its 98db's, and they're are no leaks etc.
Just remember, no cop is above you, they have the same rights as you, its called the freedom of speech and the freedom of opinion. Unless you start swinging at a cop or mouth off to them real bad, they cannot arrest you. You have the right to question an officers ticket.
#3 HARRASSMENT. Cops can be very nice people, however some cops (especially rookies) can be dicks. If you notice a cop if pulling you over a lot (same cop everytime) and just gives you a hard time, or you notice a cop is giving you attitude... well heres what you do:
Ask for the policemans BADGE #, as well as his name. First of all, that will get the cop thinking your going to file a complaint.
However... don't file a complaint. Wait until he pulls you over again. Chances are, he won't. However, if he does, and your still getting poor treatmeant or you feel your getting harrased, call the police department and speak to the cheif of police or write your government regarding it. Just make sure your claims aren;'t false because the policeman will sue you if you lie about what happened, because if you complain againts an officer, it will go againts his permanent record and affect his promotions regardless.
#4 Know your basic laws.
Take advice, read up on your provincial laws. Just do a search in google or yahoo. One thing cops love to get you on and I know you feel the same way i do, is those damn license plates or improper mufflers.
Well folks, license plates as long as they are visible from the front and at a 90degree angle left and right, are legal. If your license plate is slanted on your bumper, or angled up a bit, as long as you can lay down on the ground like 20 feet from it, and still read it, its legal.
To be educated when getting pulled over is a gift. Cops have respect for law biting citizens, so don't let a cop think your uneducated. Show your wits!!
#5. NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS
Man dont we all just hate those grumpy *** neighbors who hate your loud cars and wish you never moved to their street. WEll you know what, screw them hah!!
first off, you can be as loud as you want on your property up to 11pm at night. After then, you gotta quiet down. But feel free to rev in your driving up until then, its your right to do so.
I myself, have had many complaints from 1 neighbor and he says I race around the street all day. Well you know what, I dont. I leave and come back to my house and becasue I have an exhaust he dosent like it. Well he calls the cops on me all the time, and what do i do? I tell the cop I was leaving my house, and then I returned home and I dont know what hes talking about. Well the cop dosent believe me so then he asks if my muffler is legal. I then ask him if hes going to ticket me for anything right away... and you know what, he can only answer no, becasue hes not going to. Its before 11, Im on my own property, and he witnessed nothing. The cop will be pissed, probably give you attitude, but eventually leave. Now watch out for harrassment... those cops sometimes like to hold grudges... well too bad for them you won;t have it! refer to #4
#6. LOG EVERY INCIDENT
Log your **** man!!! Buy a 89cent notepad from Grand and Toy and keep it in your glovebox. Record every traffic stop, anything even if the cop just pulls you over for like 5 mins and does nothing - - RECORD It
You need to have your **** straight. And in the log if you notice a cop is pulling you over frequentyl and never ticketing you, start looking where he is getting you and what time he is getting you. Then change your route and fool him lol. Dont let him push you around, just leave the area.
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Im gonna add more... just tired of typing.
PLEASE, POST YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW, INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO YOU, AREAS TO WATCH OUT FOR!!
Its almost summer and we gotta be prepared, they dont like our cars, but you know what, its our choice and our life's we can do what we want in the guidelines of the law. No one can tell you to not live your life how you want to!! NO policeman or woman is better then you !!! They eat sleep and **** just like you they just have arresting rights!!
more to come later....
Well... I thought I should make a thread which will help our club avoid tickets and know the law by which they are bound by so you can be intelligent when getting pulled over.
This post can be a refference and a guide to help you for future pull over's and traffic stops.
I know there are law experts on this board, and a lot of intelligent people when it comes to the law... so please post up your views and ideas to keep us out of trouble.
Ive been through a lot of police problems involving my civic which I used to own, and even now my new crx I just bought.
#1. when you get pulled over, be polite. No matter how pissed off you are, show the officer respect (even if you have none for them) because once they get attitude (trust me i know i have a temper) they will automatically consider you mouthy, which makes them want to get you on anything they can.
Just be polite, "no sir, yes sir, three bags more sir" you get the idea...
A tip... a lot of police remember cars surprisngly, and they remember your areas where you hang out. If you **** off a cop once, and get caught for something, chances are they will find you again and try and get you again. All police talk, and they want to keep eachother informed of trouble makers, so say a cop gets you for a headlight but just warns you, well get that headlight fixed asap because that cop surprisingly enough will go to where he stopped you first and wait for you and if you don;t have it fixed, he will get it. They have to make their quota and if they know of a guranteed ticket, they will be there.
#2. No cop can push you around. If you get stopped and you have no clue why, say your just driving down a street in a 50km zone and your going 40 km, well then just pull over and get your stuff ready for him to look at. Dont be affraid if you see those cherries light up behind you. Nothing is set in stone until the courts determine so. just sit back and relax and be calm and polite with the cop.
TRUST Me, I have been through over around 15 minor tickets, and only 2 have actually held through and I lost out around 200 bucks.
If a police officer gets you for an improper muffler, first off ask him how he determined if it was improper. He will probably give you a bull**** excuse well you just politely say "ok, thank you officer". Then the next day you go to youir Justice of Peace (dont be affraid to go there its what you SHOULD do) You walk in, apply for a court date, and then wait a few weeks for a court date which will be months later. Now the ticket is pending. Basically chill until that date and get all the information you can on your muffler and its legalitty. Most aftermarket mufflers are legal, as long as they are under i think its 98db's, and they're are no leaks etc.
Just remember, no cop is above you, they have the same rights as you, its called the freedom of speech and the freedom of opinion. Unless you start swinging at a cop or mouth off to them real bad, they cannot arrest you. You have the right to question an officers ticket.
#3 HARRASSMENT. Cops can be very nice people, however some cops (especially rookies) can be dicks. If you notice a cop if pulling you over a lot (same cop everytime) and just gives you a hard time, or you notice a cop is giving you attitude... well heres what you do:
Ask for the policemans BADGE #, as well as his name. First of all, that will get the cop thinking your going to file a complaint.
However... don't file a complaint. Wait until he pulls you over again. Chances are, he won't. However, if he does, and your still getting poor treatmeant or you feel your getting harrased, call the police department and speak to the cheif of police or write your government regarding it. Just make sure your claims aren;'t false because the policeman will sue you if you lie about what happened, because if you complain againts an officer, it will go againts his permanent record and affect his promotions regardless.
#4 Know your basic laws.
Take advice, read up on your provincial laws. Just do a search in google or yahoo. One thing cops love to get you on and I know you feel the same way i do, is those damn license plates or improper mufflers.
Well folks, license plates as long as they are visible from the front and at a 90degree angle left and right, are legal. If your license plate is slanted on your bumper, or angled up a bit, as long as you can lay down on the ground like 20 feet from it, and still read it, its legal.
To be educated when getting pulled over is a gift. Cops have respect for law biting citizens, so don't let a cop think your uneducated. Show your wits!!
#5. NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS
Man dont we all just hate those grumpy *** neighbors who hate your loud cars and wish you never moved to their street. WEll you know what, screw them hah!!
first off, you can be as loud as you want on your property up to 11pm at night. After then, you gotta quiet down. But feel free to rev in your driving up until then, its your right to do so.
I myself, have had many complaints from 1 neighbor and he says I race around the street all day. Well you know what, I dont. I leave and come back to my house and becasue I have an exhaust he dosent like it. Well he calls the cops on me all the time, and what do i do? I tell the cop I was leaving my house, and then I returned home and I dont know what hes talking about. Well the cop dosent believe me so then he asks if my muffler is legal. I then ask him if hes going to ticket me for anything right away... and you know what, he can only answer no, becasue hes not going to. Its before 11, Im on my own property, and he witnessed nothing. The cop will be pissed, probably give you attitude, but eventually leave. Now watch out for harrassment... those cops sometimes like to hold grudges... well too bad for them you won;t have it! refer to #4
#6. LOG EVERY INCIDENT
Log your **** man!!! Buy a 89cent notepad from Grand and Toy and keep it in your glovebox. Record every traffic stop, anything even if the cop just pulls you over for like 5 mins and does nothing - - RECORD It
You need to have your **** straight. And in the log if you notice a cop is pulling you over frequentyl and never ticketing you, start looking where he is getting you and what time he is getting you. Then change your route and fool him lol. Dont let him push you around, just leave the area.
--------------
Im gonna add more... just tired of typing.
PLEASE, POST YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW, INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO YOU, AREAS TO WATCH OUT FOR!!
Its almost summer and we gotta be prepared, they dont like our cars, but you know what, its our choice and our life's we can do what we want in the guidelines of the law. No one can tell you to not live your life how you want to!! NO policeman or woman is better then you !!! They eat sleep and **** just like you they just have arresting rights!!
more to come later....
21-Feb-2004, 07:46 PM
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weed
....not to mention police are now pulling over Honda's specifically to stop you and check for .... you know... that weed
Obviously enough people smoke weed who drive hondas.... its a known fact, and this summer (2004) is the year they wanna bust you for it.
Leave it at home or smoke it before hand!!
peace.
Obviously enough people smoke weed who drive hondas.... its a known fact, and this summer (2004) is the year they wanna bust you for it.
Leave it at home or smoke it before hand!!
peace.
21-Feb-2004, 08:18 PM
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good post man.....very tru...i get harrassed hardcore out in brampton, all i do is flash my military ID and bamm i'm on my way home. but still being polite is NUMBER ONE, i get out of soo much just by being nice, and un get to pissed at 5-0, its their job...and us by modifing our cars are asking for it...so expect it. wheather your a street racer or not looks like a duck talks like a duck smells like a duck....usually is a duck...they can't tell the difference ...so relax...and if you ask for badge numbers...and say you feel harrassed it scares the **** out the rookies....
21-Feb-2004, 08:25 PM
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yup... be polite! :P
just the other day a rookie cop came to my house sayin g my neighbors called a complaint, so bla blah he got really mad at me and left.
Well a couple days later (like 2 days ago) i got pulled over by a cop and he radioed his friend and gues who shoes up... officer rookie
he walked by me and grined and i saw it... so after all was said and done and we were arguing in a circle. I asked for his badge number. He goes "Why do you want that"
and I say because I asked for it
so he gave me it and then i asked his name.
he wasnt smiling after that. (my guess is I wont
be seeing him bothering me for awhile)
oh and what quick_cx said.... we all know we ARE going to get pulled over, its a matter of how you deal with it and deal with it smart.
Dont let the man beat you :P
just the other day a rookie cop came to my house sayin g my neighbors called a complaint, so bla blah he got really mad at me and left.
Well a couple days later (like 2 days ago) i got pulled over by a cop and he radioed his friend and gues who shoes up... officer rookie
he walked by me and grined and i saw it... so after all was said and done and we were arguing in a circle. I asked for his badge number. He goes "Why do you want that"
and I say because I asked for it
so he gave me it and then i asked his name.
he wasnt smiling after that. (my guess is I wont
be seeing him bothering me for awhile)
oh and what quick_cx said.... we all know we ARE going to get pulled over, its a matter of how you deal with it and deal with it smart.
Dont let the man beat you :P
21-Feb-2004, 08:59 PM
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mako that is some excellent advice/knowledge thanks alot, also the note pad thing is good, all the people around my gfs house threaten to call the cops on me all the time or tell her parents they are gonna more than once i have been followed by a marked or unmarked police car to her house and they try and tell me they are ognna give me a ticket for my exhaust but they never do, next time ill ask for badge number
21-Feb-2004, 09:51 PM
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one thing keep in mind some noise violations may be different from city to city.
1. Hamilton the noise violation set up by th bylaw (city) is if they can hear your noise at a sirten db from 20 ft away u still can recieve a fine (usualy warning) My brother has recieved 2 warnings and 3rd time they will fine him under some by law act for noise polution
My point is some laws may be different from city to city under the city's bylaw.
1. Hamilton the noise violation set up by th bylaw (city) is if they can hear your noise at a sirten db from 20 ft away u still can recieve a fine (usualy warning) My brother has recieved 2 warnings and 3rd time they will fine him under some by law act for noise polution
My point is some laws may be different from city to city under the city's bylaw.
21-Feb-2004, 09:58 PM
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i would like to add that if you get pulled over and the police ask to look under your hood you have the right to say no they do not have cause to look they like to try and find anything they can to give a tick.
p.s. i have been issued at least 6 or 7 tickets speeding inproper tail lights failure to stop and so on i have beat every tick. i got i say take everything to court at worst case you get your fine lowered.
mako is right be polite or they will nail you.
p.s. i have been issued at least 6 or 7 tickets speeding inproper tail lights failure to stop and so on i have beat every tick. i got i say take everything to court at worst case you get your fine lowered.
mako is right be polite or they will nail you.
21-Feb-2004, 10:04 PM
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Being polite is the key......that'z correct.....however if a cop asks u to do something and u say no......even though ur full within ur rights.........u better believe ur *** is gonna get hassled more by other memebers on the force who are his buddies.......it'z a very thin line ur walking on when dealing with cops.......u have the right to do a lot of things as a citizen.......but in some cases it'z best not to exercise some rights, especially if the cop looks like he is having a bad day....it only causes more stress on u and the officer..............
But good tips Mako E2
i especially like the notepad thing........
and Pulovr once mentioned carrying a digital camera on urself....
But good tips Mako E2
i especially like the notepad thing........
and Pulovr once mentioned carrying a digital camera on urself....
21-Feb-2004, 10:15 PM
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first off, you can be as loud as you want on your property up to 11pm at night. After then, you gotta quiet down. But feel free to rev in your driving up until then, its your right to do so.
22-Feb-2004, 12:19 PM
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A cop cannot pop ur hood......unless he has reasonable grounds to do so......for instance......if he suspects or finds out that some parts don't belong to ur car.........he can ask u to pop ur hood......
If a cop pulls u over for racing.......he can pop ur hood
If he pulls you over for a simple speeding ticket, he has no right really to check under ur hood.......
If there are stolen parts goin around ur area or the cops are on a capaign of some sort to crack down on this crap......he can check........
Soo many factors......that come into play......
this is from my bias though..........
i'm sure there are some other biases out there from different areas of study or professions who can add there input in as well to better clarify the question that is being asked.
If a cop pulls u over for racing.......he can pop ur hood
If he pulls you over for a simple speeding ticket, he has no right really to check under ur hood.......
If there are stolen parts goin around ur area or the cops are on a capaign of some sort to crack down on this crap......he can check........
Soo many factors......that come into play......
this is from my bias though..........
i'm sure there are some other biases out there from different areas of study or professions who can add there input in as well to better clarify the question that is being asked.
22-Feb-2004, 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by DaRizzla
What if i told the Officer .. That He Cant Pop(look) Under The hood. Can he force me to open the hood?
What if i told the Officer .. That He Cant Pop(look) Under The hood. Can he force me to open the hood?
give some sorta fact situation why he would ask.....
it's never in ur best interest to give a cop a hard time, cause he'll only end up giving u a harder time, there are a lot of bad cops out there, just a fact of life. But for every bad cop out there, there are 2 more nicer ones........
if he has pulled you over for speeding and asks you to pop ur hood and u feel he has no grounds to do so......just simply say why are u asking me to do this?....if u feel the reason is not good enough.........don't do it
but my question is......what do u have to hide?
if u have nothing to hide..........it'z fun just wasting the cops time...and stating to him....well this is a waste of ur time, but if you wanna check ur more then welcome to officer......while ur saying this reach for ur hood release, to show compliance, it de-escalates the smart comment of saying "it'z a waste of ur time officer"
22-Feb-2004, 12:49 PM
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****THIS WAS PULLED RIGHT OUTTA THE TCC'Z HTA NOTES****
Found in the Traffic Tickets, Insurance Group of Threads
http://www.torontocivics.com/tccforu...s=&threadid=14
That whole sticky there is very useful to this topic.....I Suggest Memebers & Guests Read it Over Before the Summer Outtings Etc... There probably have been a few amendments to the HTA But basically the notes are not far off from what and what is not legal
Intakes - Are LEGAL. The Environmental Protection Act states that you are ALLOWED to replace systems of devices (such as an intake) so long as it complies with the regulations in the Act. So long as your intake is attached and working properly, you are FINE!
22. (1) No person shall sell, or offer, expose or advertise for sale, a motor or motor vehicle that does not comply with the regulations.
Where system or device installed on motor vehicle
(2) Where a manufacturer installs on, attaches to or incorporates in any motor or motor vehicle, a system or device to prevent or lessen the discharge of any contaminant, no person shall sell, or offer, expose or advertise for sale, such motor or motor vehicle unless the motor or motor vehicle has such system or device so installed, attached or incorporated and such system or device, when the motor or motor vehicle is operating, complies with the regulations. R.S.O. 1990, c. E.19, s. 22 (1, 2).
Repair or replacement of system or device
(3) Where a manufacturer installs on, attaches to or incorporates in any motor or motor vehicle, a system or device to prevent or lessen the discharge of any contaminant, no person shall remove or cause or permit the removal of the system or device from the motor or motor vehicle, except as permitted by subsection (4).
Same
(4) A person may repair the system or device or replace the system or device by a system or device of the same type or of a type prescribed by the regulations. 1998, c. 35, s. 3.
MOTOR VEHICLES - Ontario Regulation 361/98 SEC 7(1)(b)
Emission Control Systems or Devices
6.1 The following types of systems and devices are prescribed for the purpose of subsection 22 (4) of the Act:
1. A system or device that is manufactured by the manufacturer of the system or device that is being replaced and,
i. is identical to or equivalent to the system or device that is being replaced, or
ii. is manufactured as a replacement for the system or device that is being replaced.
2. A system or device that is approved by the Bureau of Automobile Repair, the California Air Resources Board, the United States Environmental Protection Agency or another body specified by the Director as a replacement for the system or device that is being replaced. O. Reg. 86/99, s. 6.
7. (1) If a motor or motor vehicle is manufactured with a system or device to prevent or lessen the emission of any contaminant, no person shall operate or cause or permit the operation of the motor or motor vehicle if the system or device, or any replacement therefor,
(a) is not maintained or kept in such a state of repair that it is capable of performing the function for which it was intended; or
(b) is not kept installed on, attached to or incorporated in the motor or motor vehicle in such a manner that, when the motor or motor vehicle is operating, the system or device functions in the manner in which it was intended to function. O. Reg. 401/98, s. 1.
Basically it says no one is allowed to operate a vehicle if its system/device, that is used to prevent or lesson emissions of contaniments, is not kept installed on, or not attached to or not incorporated to the vehicle in a manner that it is intended to function.
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Section 166 of the Environmental Protection Act - Stop and inspect powers: motor vehicle emissions
(2) For the purpose of ascertaining whether a system or device installed on, attached to or incorporated in any motor vehicle to prevent or lessen the discharge of any emission is operating in compliance with this Act and the regulations, a provincial officer or a police officer may stop and inspect the motor vehicle.
Same
(3) An inspection under subsection (2) shall be limited to what is reasonably required to ascertain whether the system or device is operating in compliance with this Act and the regulations.
Same
(4) In an inspection under subsection (2), the provincial officer or police officer may,
(a) require the driver of the motor vehicle to submit the motor vehicle to such tests at such places and times as the provincial officer or police officer considers reasonable;
(b) require the driver of the motor vehicle to produce any documents, including licenses and permits, related to the operation or ownership of the motor vehicle; and
(c) require the driver of the motor vehicle to operate, use or set in motion the vehicle or any part of the vehicle, under the conditions specified by the provincial officer or police officer.
Found in the Traffic Tickets, Insurance Group of Threads
http://www.torontocivics.com/tccforu...s=&threadid=14
That whole sticky there is very useful to this topic.....I Suggest Memebers & Guests Read it Over Before the Summer Outtings Etc... There probably have been a few amendments to the HTA But basically the notes are not far off from what and what is not legal
Intakes - Are LEGAL. The Environmental Protection Act states that you are ALLOWED to replace systems of devices (such as an intake) so long as it complies with the regulations in the Act. So long as your intake is attached and working properly, you are FINE!
22. (1) No person shall sell, or offer, expose or advertise for sale, a motor or motor vehicle that does not comply with the regulations.
Where system or device installed on motor vehicle
(2) Where a manufacturer installs on, attaches to or incorporates in any motor or motor vehicle, a system or device to prevent or lessen the discharge of any contaminant, no person shall sell, or offer, expose or advertise for sale, such motor or motor vehicle unless the motor or motor vehicle has such system or device so installed, attached or incorporated and such system or device, when the motor or motor vehicle is operating, complies with the regulations. R.S.O. 1990, c. E.19, s. 22 (1, 2).
Repair or replacement of system or device
(3) Where a manufacturer installs on, attaches to or incorporates in any motor or motor vehicle, a system or device to prevent or lessen the discharge of any contaminant, no person shall remove or cause or permit the removal of the system or device from the motor or motor vehicle, except as permitted by subsection (4).
Same
(4) A person may repair the system or device or replace the system or device by a system or device of the same type or of a type prescribed by the regulations. 1998, c. 35, s. 3.
MOTOR VEHICLES - Ontario Regulation 361/98 SEC 7(1)(b)
Emission Control Systems or Devices
6.1 The following types of systems and devices are prescribed for the purpose of subsection 22 (4) of the Act:
1. A system or device that is manufactured by the manufacturer of the system or device that is being replaced and,
i. is identical to or equivalent to the system or device that is being replaced, or
ii. is manufactured as a replacement for the system or device that is being replaced.
2. A system or device that is approved by the Bureau of Automobile Repair, the California Air Resources Board, the United States Environmental Protection Agency or another body specified by the Director as a replacement for the system or device that is being replaced. O. Reg. 86/99, s. 6.
7. (1) If a motor or motor vehicle is manufactured with a system or device to prevent or lessen the emission of any contaminant, no person shall operate or cause or permit the operation of the motor or motor vehicle if the system or device, or any replacement therefor,
(a) is not maintained or kept in such a state of repair that it is capable of performing the function for which it was intended; or
(b) is not kept installed on, attached to or incorporated in the motor or motor vehicle in such a manner that, when the motor or motor vehicle is operating, the system or device functions in the manner in which it was intended to function. O. Reg. 401/98, s. 1.
Basically it says no one is allowed to operate a vehicle if its system/device, that is used to prevent or lesson emissions of contaniments, is not kept installed on, or not attached to or not incorporated to the vehicle in a manner that it is intended to function.
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Section 166 of the Environmental Protection Act - Stop and inspect powers: motor vehicle emissions
(2) For the purpose of ascertaining whether a system or device installed on, attached to or incorporated in any motor vehicle to prevent or lessen the discharge of any emission is operating in compliance with this Act and the regulations, a provincial officer or a police officer may stop and inspect the motor vehicle.
Same
(3) An inspection under subsection (2) shall be limited to what is reasonably required to ascertain whether the system or device is operating in compliance with this Act and the regulations.
Same
(4) In an inspection under subsection (2), the provincial officer or police officer may,
(a) require the driver of the motor vehicle to submit the motor vehicle to such tests at such places and times as the provincial officer or police officer considers reasonable;
(b) require the driver of the motor vehicle to produce any documents, including licenses and permits, related to the operation or ownership of the motor vehicle; and
(c) require the driver of the motor vehicle to operate, use or set in motion the vehicle or any part of the vehicle, under the conditions specified by the provincial officer or police officer.
22-Feb-2004, 06:51 PM
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you have the right to deny anything a cop does... now whether its justified or not is the key.
If a cop pulls you over for NO apparant reason like for example your just driving down the road under the limit and playing it cool, say he pulls you over well he can ask to search your car, and he can ask to look under the hood, however you DO have the right to say no, even if you dont have any drugs or illegal stuff under the hood.
NOW... if he suspects something is at foul play, like he sees a dime baggy on the floor of your car, he can search it.
This is such a thin line of what you can do and cant do for a cop.... but if your polite and such, he will more then likely not strive to search, HOWEVER he probably will give you a ticket for being hard on him and not letting him search.
Oh, and intakes aren't illegaly, as long as they have a CARB (i think thats what its called) or EO number on them.
This is a common misconception due to the rumors of nitrous being illegal and such.
As most of us all should know by now, nitrous isn;t illegal to possess in your car, its illegal however to have it connected and engaged or ready to use.
You can carry as many nitrious bottles as you want in your car, just dont have them hooked up.
And with intakes... you can have any intake you want on your car, just make sure its street legal.... and by saying street legal i mean its verfied by law on its manual or some sort of document from where you bought it
but honestly.... no cop will harrass you for an intake... unless he is a complete ****!
Hey if anyone has any situations where they got in trouble and fought it in court, and won, post it up!!
Show everyone what fighting with justice does...
I know when I was first getting hassled with tickets and stuff I thought the world was over... but after learning many a life lesson I have overcome my fear of getting pulled over lol!!
I now LOVE confrontations .... especially when I win! 
If a cop pulls you over for NO apparant reason like for example your just driving down the road under the limit and playing it cool, say he pulls you over well he can ask to search your car, and he can ask to look under the hood, however you DO have the right to say no, even if you dont have any drugs or illegal stuff under the hood.
NOW... if he suspects something is at foul play, like he sees a dime baggy on the floor of your car, he can search it.
This is such a thin line of what you can do and cant do for a cop.... but if your polite and such, he will more then likely not strive to search, HOWEVER he probably will give you a ticket for being hard on him and not letting him search.
Oh, and intakes aren't illegaly, as long as they have a CARB (i think thats what its called) or EO number on them.
This is a common misconception due to the rumors of nitrous being illegal and such.
As most of us all should know by now, nitrous isn;t illegal to possess in your car, its illegal however to have it connected and engaged or ready to use.
You can carry as many nitrious bottles as you want in your car, just dont have them hooked up.
And with intakes... you can have any intake you want on your car, just make sure its street legal.... and by saying street legal i mean its verfied by law on its manual or some sort of document from where you bought it
but honestly.... no cop will harrass you for an intake... unless he is a complete ****!
Hey if anyone has any situations where they got in trouble and fought it in court, and won, post it up!!
Show everyone what fighting with justice does...
I know when I was first getting hassled with tickets and stuff I thought the world was over... but after learning many a life lesson I have overcome my fear of getting pulled over lol!!
I now LOVE confrontations .... especially when I win!
