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Old 07-Jun-2010, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FiveO

The OP said she didn't see the cop until it appeared behind her with the lights on, just after passing the fairgrounds.

Genius? Careful now. Not visible? Maybe not, or maybe just not easily visible depending on where the cop was parked. Not safe? Maybe, depending on where the cop was doing radar from, or if you're driving without headlights on.

This is where I get to use the word "pylon". Go back to the google street view link I gave and move west along Elgin Mills. Look for the driveway with the pylons on the right. Maybe the cop was sitting right there in the driveway and not on the side of the road? Maybe the next driveway into the fairgrounds instead? The next one after that?

Any of those places would let the cop most easily check the speed of both westbound and eastbound traffic. Either way the cop would be well off the road. It doesn't take any special genius to see that.
At no point in my post did I say I got pulled over at the Fair Grounds, you are ASSUMING.

If you also read closely, I said IF PEOPLE ARE FAMILAR WITH THE AREA... meaning, I know everyone from the forum does not lives in the same area I do. So Markham Fair Grounds is quite a good land mark for people trying to figure out where I roughly got pulled over. Or if they were trying to paint a mental picture in their head of what happened. Because, yes some people do that. My apologies for not being exact on my location for people devoted on doing google searches.

Like I said, AFTER I passed the fairgrounds I got pulled over… meaning I did not get pulled over at the fairgrounds.

REPEAT, just in case it was missed, I actually got pulled over after I passed the fairgrounds like stated, I didn’t not just say that because it was fun to type <just to add a little sarcasm >

Since you’re so keen on referencing google. I was going WEST on Elgin Mills, WEST of McCowan, EAST of Kennedy. I believe I was closer to McCowan then Kennedy though. The officer was sitting EAST on Elgin Mills, on the side of the road, not in a driveway.

Oh and FYI, just a comment to you referring to google search, you know, on how you said there are pylons in the pictures shown. Did you know google map does not keep an up to date photo of the area you searched…? Those pylons, you pylon, are long gone

Just to repeat my first original post, since certain individuals read only what they want to see. You can see I was disagreeing with my friend about officers needing to be visible. So, AGAIN, please do not reference officers needing to have their hat on in order to give tickets, I am not a moron.

I am simply looking for other people’s opinions on this matter. I am looking to see if people feel the same towards my friend.

Just looking for a simple forum discussion... Oye... i figured the insurance section would be a little more mature, MY MISTAKE!
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Old 07-Jun-2010, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by miss_jess
At no point in my post did I say I got pulled over at the Fair Grounds, you are ASSUMING.

If you also read closely, I said IF PEOPLE ARE FAMILAR WITH THE AREA... meaning, I know everyone from the forum does not lives in the same area I do. So Markham Fair Grounds is quite a good land mark for people trying to figure out where I roughly got pulled over. Or if they were trying to paint a mental picture in their head of what happened. Because, yes some people do that. My apologies for not being exact on my location for people devoted on doing google searches.

Like I said, AFTER I passed the fairgrounds I got pulled over… meaning I did not get pulled over at the fairgrounds.

REPEAT, just in case it was missed, I actually got pulled over after I passed the fairgrounds like stated, I didn’t not just say that because it was fun to type <just to add a little sarcasm >
Well, seeing as we're now officially in a silly pissing match, nothing I posted contradicts your original post. I didn't say that you got pulled over right at the fairgrounds. I think I said that the driveways at the fairground would be a great place to set up and wait for speeders, just one of many possibilities for cops to sit at, and that wasn't directed at you but at another poster.

Your original post said that you had no idea that it was a 60 zone. Your original post made it quite clear that you got pulled over AFTER the fairgrounds. That means that you did pass the 60 km speed limit sign shown in the google street view shortly before being pulled over, right? Roughly speaking, right? So where is the issue?


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Since you’re so keen on referencing google. I was going WEST on Elgin Mills, WEST of McCowan, EAST of Kennedy. I believe I was closer to McCowan then Kennedy though. The officer was sitting EAST on Elgin Mills, on the side of the road, not in a driveway.
Your original post implied that you you did not see the cop. "My friend told me that because the cop was sitting at the side of the road, no lights on, not visible to the eye that it is entrapment. I completely disagree with him. The cop was fully visible, we just didn’t see him." But ok.


Originally Posted by miss_jess
Oh and FYI, just a comment to you referring to google search, you know, on how you said there are pylons in the pictures shown. Did you know google map does not keep an up to date photo of the area you searched…? Those pylons, you pylon, are long gone
You know, I really didn't expect people to drive out to Elgin Mills to look for pylons. I figured they would just click the link and use google street view to move a little west along Elgin Mills where they would (gasp) see the pylons on the screen. The pylons ARE still in the picture, right? So once again, what's the issue?


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Just to repeat my first original post, since certain individuals read only what they want to see. You can see I was disagreeing with my friend about officers needing to be visible. So, AGAIN, please do not reference officers needing to have their hat on in order to give tickets, I am not a moron.

I am simply looking for other people’s opinions on this matter. I am looking to see if people feel the same towards my friend.

Just looking for a simple forum discussion... Oye... i figured the insurance section would be a little more mature, MY MISTAKE!
I know you were disagreeing with your friend. I got that from your original post. My answer wasn't making fun of you, but poking a bit at people who really do believe that a cop car has to be visible when doing radar, who do believe that cops have to have their hat on if the ticket is to be valid, and who do believe that if the cop is parked on private property when doing radar that the ticket isn't valid.

I gave my opinion on the issue you brought up. I didn't call you stupid for asking. I poked a bit at your friend for think the cop car had to be visible, but it was a pretty light poke. Unless you're taking offence by proxy for your friend that night, I don't understand what all this argument is about.
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well... you want to hear you are right, so I agree with you.

mods please just lock this thread as a discussion is obviously not going to happen


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i missed alot here !! techinical it is a form of entrapment,but for som reason police in ontario can have their lights off while parked at night for saome reason. In the States u could say thats entrapment on something like that.
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Originally Posted by MyVtecGoesBWAH
i missed alot here !! techinical it is a form of entrapment,but for som reason police in ontario can have their lights off while parked at night for saome reason. In the States u could say thats entrapment on something like that.


I wasn't really saying they had to have their lights on, I was just asking if they had to be visable.

But yeah, I don't think cops should have to be visable at all... if you are speeding or doing anything else illegal you should be deemed responsible of your actions. You can't only follow the rules because you see a cop afterall.

Oh well, I still uber hate that cop for being there
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Old 07-Jun-2010, 12:20 PM
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I was once pulled over at night by a cop I totally did not see. He was facing the other direction and sitting on the shoulder of the road. I was going around a bend and boom, on go his lights.

It's NOT entrapment. The fault was all mine, I WAS speeding. Had I not been speeding, I would not have been pulled over.

Bottom line don't speed and they will leave you alone! lol. That so hard to get? If you get pulled over, whether you saw the cop or not, there must have been a reason (speeding etc...).
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Old 07-Jun-2010, 12:21 PM
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yea i hate richmond hill police they follow me and pull me over almost everytime in there. yet to get a ticket tho still
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Old 07-Jun-2010, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MyVtecGoesBWAH
yea i hate richmond hill police they follow me and pull me over almost everytime in there. yet to get a ticket tho still
I find cops in Richmond Hill quite friendly and easy going.. as long as you show them respect of course.

lucky thought for not recieving any tickets... i cannot say the same
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yeah they are pretty easy going,i just dont like how they always pull me over tho :P .everytime umm this is just a route check,making sure ur documents are up to date lol.
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Originally Posted by stev
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hey hey sword fights are too old... its almost 2012... gotta add some PEW PEW PEW up in this mothafcuka!

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^ Roshan the random man! lol
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Originally Posted by Climax_R
gotta add some PEW PEW PEW up in this mothafcuka!

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hahaha nice
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Originally Posted by Climax_R
hey hey sword fights are too old... its almost 2012... gotta add some PEW PEW PEW up in this mothafcuka!

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