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Old 08-Sep-2009, 09:16 PM
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Speeding in a School Zone

I got my first speeding ticket today. It is was in an area that is a school zone when the lights on the sign are flashing, I guess I forgot about it. I think today was the first day it was active again? I don't know. It is for 59 in a 40. The cop would not reduce it.

-I hear people fight their tickets, but the effect on insurance for a ticket under 50 over is the same either way. Is that true?

-What is the impact of losing demerit points? Is there any way to fight for my ticket to be recorded as 5km/h slower (to avoid losing demerits) and if so, why would that be better for me?

-Is there a greater impact for it happening in a school zone, or is it just 19 over regardless?

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Old 08-Sep-2009, 09:54 PM
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I'm very sure they'll hit you hard for that, they don't mess with school zones or buses. Especially with a back to school blitz this week. I saw 2 guys go through a flashing school bus today and a cop in front caught them, they're F****** that's a $2000 fine and 6 demerit points.
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Old 08-Sep-2009, 11:06 PM
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The fine is $67.50 and the cop said it would be three demerit points. I have looked into it and I don't think that is any worse than usual, but I could be wrong.
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Old 09-Sep-2009, 11:08 PM
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Oh no! This could have a serious impact on my insurance, any input on the following would be appreciated-

I have looked into what insurance considers a major and a minor offence. It seems speeding 50km/h+ over the limit is major, less than that is minor. In which case my 59 in a 40 would be considered minor, and thus a minimal insurance increase.

However, it seems that any speeding in a school zone is considered major, and thus a huge increase in insurance! From a preliminary comparison of quotes it would be a 300% increase!

Now my ticket apparently does not mention anything about school zones. The fine is not the CSZ rate, it is the regular rate. And the offence is 59km/hr in a 40km/hr zone, HTA 128. So is this ticket the major type for speeding in a school zone? How would they know if it is not on the ticket? Is the only time the limit 40km/hr in school zones, and thus that is how they will know? Are there supplemental notes not included with my copy of the ticket that would indicate it was a school zone?
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Old 09-Sep-2009, 11:38 PM
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Of course they'll know where it was, they list the address of the offense, and like I said, they don't f around with school zones, they'll hit hard. I suggest fighting it, hire someone, its your only realistic option.
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Contact the officer that wrote you the ticket verify it.
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Old 10-Sep-2009, 12:13 AM
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Sumol15, the part of the ticket that says "at" says S/B and the street. Unless there are extra notes there is no indication that it is in a school zone. And even if it had the address, does someone look up the address of every speeding ticket to see if a school zone applies?


Trybal, I have no idea how you would go about contacting a cop. But if the lack of detail is an error in my favour, I do not want to draw attention to it.


Edit- Sorry if those responses sound curt, not my intention. Also, if it makes any difference, by "school zone" we are talking 4:45pm and a high school.

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Old 10-Sep-2009, 02:43 AM
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However, it seems that any speeding in a school zone is considered major, and thus a huge increase in insurance! From a preliminary comparison of quotes it would be a 300% increase!
In a word, no.

It's just a minor speeding ticket even though it happened in a school zone.

Insurance doesn't care about demerit points on a ticket so trying to get it dropped down to no points won't make any difference.

Now had you blown by a school bus stopped with its lights flashing, that would have been considered serious in the eyes of an insurance company.
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Old 10-Sep-2009, 08:33 PM
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Heard on the news today, that the fine of 65kmh in a school zone was $200 in Barrie.
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Heard on the news today, that the fine of 65kmh in a school zone was $200 in Barrie.
If the school zone is a 40 kmph zone, as many are, you're doing 25 km over the limit.

The basic fine for that range of speeding is $3.75 per km over the limit, or about $93.75. Add in $5 court costs plus $20 victim surcharge fee, and your total ticket is now at $118.75.

Many towns and cities designate certain school zones as also being Community Safety Zones, and penalties for speeding in these zones are double the usual rate. In a CSV that 25 km over ticket would carry a fine of $7.50 per km over the limit, or $187.50. Add in the $5 court costs charge, plus a $35 victim surcharge, and that same 25-over speeding ticket in a CSZ will cost you $227.50 once all fees are added in.

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Old 11-Sep-2009, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FiveO View Post
If the school zone is a 40 kmph zone, as many are, you're doing 25 km over the limit.

The basic fine for that range of speeding is $3.75 per km over the limit, or about $93.75. Add in $5 court costs plus $20 victim surcharge fee, and your total ticket is now at $118.75.

Many towns and cities designate certain school zones as also being Community Safety Zones, and penalties for speeding in these zones are double the usual rate. In a CSV that 25 km over ticket would carry a fine of $7.50 per km over the limit, or $187.50. Add in the $5 court costs charge, plus a $35 victim surcharge, and that same 25-over speeding ticket in a CSZ will cost you $227.50 once all fees are added in.

Let me amend that. The $3.75 per km fine for doing 25 kmph over the limit is now actually $4.50 per km over.

That changes the numbers to 25 km x $4.50 per km = $112.50 + $5 court costs + $25 victim surcharge for total of $142.50.

In a Community Safety Zone, fines double, so 25 km x $9 per km = $225 + $5 + $50 for a total of $280.

As for getting a lowered ticket from a cop, and then hoping to lower it some more by going to court, beware! Read this recent judge from the Ontario Court of Appeal on the subject of amending tickets back up to their original speed at trial. http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decis...09ONCA0643.pdf

In it, the Court of Appeal affirms that reduced tickets can be amended back up to the actual observed speed at trial by either the prosecutor or the presiding JP. The judgement also stipulates that the fines imposed on conviction must comply with the specified fine for rate of speed that one is convicted of, and that the JP cannot hand out a lower fine out of sympathy to an accused's financial circumstances or for any other reason.

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Let me amend that. The $3.75 per km fine for doing 25 kmph over the limit is now actually $4.50 per km over.

That changes the numbers to 25 km x $4.50 per km = $112.50 + $5 court costs + $25 victim surcharge for total of $142.50.

In a Community Safety Zone, fines double, so 25 km x $9 per km = $225 + $5 + $50 for a total of $280.

As for getting a lowered ticket from a cop, and then hoping to lower it some more by going to court, beware! Read this recent judge from the Ontario Court of Appeal on the subject of amending tickets back up to their original speed at trial. http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decis...09ONCA0643.pdf

In it, the Court of Appeal affirms that reduced tickets can be amended back up to the actual observed speed at trial by either the prosecutor or the presiding JP. The judgement also stipulates that the fines imposed on conviction must comply with the specified fine for rate of speed that one is convicted of, and that the JP cannot hand out a lower fine out of sympathy to an accused's financial circumstances or for any other reason.
Interesting, thanks FiveO. I am only wondering how does the officer note what the orginal infraction speed was? is it on the ticket or his notes?
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Interesting, thanks FiveO. I am only wondering how does the officer note what the orginal infraction speed was? is it on the ticket or his notes?
It would be in his notes. On the ticket, the cop might (but doesn't have to) put just an "R" or an "R" plus the actual speed you were travelling at in the code box near the bottom right of the ticket.
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one ticket doesnt really hurt. It all depends on when your insurance checks your driving record. I had 3 tickets and my premiums were going down. It was when i bought my new car and got my new insurance that they bent me over and took me like i was.

I never speed in school zones. Fines can be increased, police arent as leniant, and worse all what if you hit someone? you wouldnt be complaining about a >150$ ticket, you could be facing manslaughter charges.

pay the ticket, shut up. Your 3 years til the ticket goes away starts counting down once you pay the ticket. So if you delay it, your delaying your 3 year period when the ticket is on your record.
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