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07-Apr-2004, 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by motti
PACER doesn't ticket or tow cars.
PACER is not a police-run operation.
At the PACER events I've attended at Mosport, nobody has been harrassed or inspected by police entering or leaving the track.
PACER doesn't ticket or tow cars.
PACER is not a police-run operation.
At the PACER events I've attended at Mosport, nobody has been harrassed or inspected by police entering or leaving the track.
and I heard otherwise from race car drivers that were trying to support pacer and went out only to be royally screwed by the police that waited on the public roads. I heard this from sources I trust, from good friend of mine that I race with on weekends. I really have no reason to not believe them
07-Apr-2004, 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by gatherer
of course PACER doesn't thats the police officers job
and I heard otherwise from race car drivers that were trying to support pacer and went out only to be royally screwed by the police that waited on the public roads. I heard this from sources I trust, from good friend of mine that I race with on weekends. I really have no reason to not believe them
of course PACER doesn't thats the police officers job
and I heard otherwise from race car drivers that were trying to support pacer and went out only to be royally screwed by the police that waited on the public roads. I heard this from sources I trust, from good friend of mine that I race with on weekends. I really have no reason to not believe them
PACER was at an import show, DarkKnights I think, where the local police force was out on nearby roads inspecting documentation and equipment in a fairly "exuberant" show of force. But PACER wasn't responsible for or part of that show of force. It would have happened with or without PACER at that show.
The issue of illegally-equipped cars going to and from import shows or exhibiting illegal driving behaviour is another issue altogether from PACER. Should the presence of PACER at a given show exempt those owners from ordinary traffic laws or being subject to inspection and charges for illegal equipment?
07-Apr-2004, 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by motti
PACER was at an import show, DarkKnights I think, where the local police force was out on nearby roads inspecting documentation and equipment in a fairly "exuberant" show of force. But PACER wasn't responsible for or part of that show of force. It would have happened with or without PACER at that show.
The issue of illegally-equipped cars going to and from import shows or exhibiting illegal driving behaviour is another issue altogether from PACER. Should the presence of PACER at a given show exempt those owners from ordinary traffic laws or being subject to inspection and charges for illegal equipment?
PACER was at an import show, DarkKnights I think, where the local police force was out on nearby roads inspecting documentation and equipment in a fairly "exuberant" show of force. But PACER wasn't responsible for or part of that show of force. It would have happened with or without PACER at that show.
The issue of illegally-equipped cars going to and from import shows or exhibiting illegal driving behaviour is another issue altogether from PACER. Should the presence of PACER at a given show exempt those owners from ordinary traffic laws or being subject to inspection and charges for illegal equipment?
we were all at the track those days...anyways while I don't believe in exemptions for the law ever. I will highlight a contradiction in the whole thing (what bugs me the most)
the name P.A.C.E.R. Stands for Police and Community educating racers. that very name implies Police involvement within the program and as such I believe having cops near events such as mosport to had out tickets and pull over cars that look like they are going to those events.... (they weren't grabing minivans for inspection that day even said so to one of my buddies) just stinks.
while I believe they did lay some ligit charges and thats fine the idea of Coral them to a location and stake out that location to nab them stinks. On top of that they say they were doing it to keep a community safe. well if they want to keep the community safe thats great stake out the area I'm all for that, but don't hold a spot check just nab the drivers that are idiots on the street. hauling people over and running plates and checking engines and emissions and such is just plain bad taste. and it's like that because of the name of P. A.C.E.R and the word Police being in the name.
The Goal of P.A.C.E.R. is clear to get street racers off the street. thats great. however for example assume I'm a street racer, let say I decide ok time to get off the streets I hit up a P.A.C.E.R event and get nabbed byt he cops and bunch of BS tickets ... well next time I want to race I have a choice...
either A) go to the P.A.C.E.R. event knowing cops might pull the same stunt twice. or B) go street race where the cops are less likely to catch me. most likely I'd choose B. simply because while still having the risk of cops ... going to a P.A.C.E.R. event you know they are staking it out.
so you see the mandate of P.A.C.E.R. is in conflict with the results of P.A.C.E.R. you will never get the racers off the streets if you have police running spot checks at your events (while I know they took place outside the event they were on the main routes to the event and their goal was to catch the people going to and from the event, at which they were every successful) remember the name P.A.C.E.R. has Police in it. if you can't get them to cooperate and just look out for driving infractions on the routes to and from your events you will not achieve your mandate. period.
please note I do not street race and the friends I speak of also do not street race they are race car drivers in clubs under CASC-OR and as such participate in legal sanctioned events put on by CASC-OR affiliated clubs.
07-Apr-2004, 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by jon_jai
why would a cop pull u over on at 401 express to check ur intake, or exhaust system if u weren't speeding?
why would a cop pull u over on at 401 express to check ur intake, or exhaust system if u weren't speeding?
07-Apr-2004, 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by gatherer
I was speaking of mosport.... you actaully think my racing buddies would be caught dead at Darknights? we were all at the track those days...
anyways while I don't believe in exemptions for the law ever. I will highlight a contradiction in the whole thing (what bugs me the most)
the name P.A.C.E.R. Stands for Police and Community educating racers. that very name implies Police involvement within the program and as such I believe having cops near events such as mosport to had out tickets and pull over cars that look like they are going to those events.... (they weren't grabing minivans for inspection that day even said so to one of my buddies) just stinks.
while I believe they did lay some ligit charges and thats fine the idea of Coral them to a location and stake out that location to nab them stinks. On top of that they say they were doing it to keep a community safe. well if they want to keep the community safe thats great stake out the area I'm all for that, but don't hold a spot check just nab the drivers that are idiots on the street. hauling people over and running plates and checking engines and emissions and such is just plain bad taste. and it's like that because of the name of P. A.C.E.R and the word Police being in the name.
The Goal of P.A.C.E.R. is clear to get street racers off the street. thats great. however for example assume I'm a street racer, let say I decide ok time to get off the streets I hit up a P.A.C.E.R event and get nabbed byt he cops and bunch of BS tickets ... well next time I want to race I have a choice...
either A) go to the P.A.C.E.R. event knowing cops might pull the same stunt twice. or B) go street race where the cops are less likely to catch me. most likely I'd choose B. simply because while still having the risk of cops ... going to a P.A.C.E.R. event you know they are staking it out.
so you see the mandate of P.A.C.E.R. is in conflict with the results of P.A.C.E.R. you will never get the racers off the streets if you have police running spot checks at your events (while I know they took place outside the event they were on the main routes to the event and their goal was to catch the people going to and from the event, at which they were every successful) remember the name P.A.C.E.R. has Police in it. if you can't get them to cooperate and just look out for driving infractions on the routes to and from your events you will not achieve your mandate. period.
please note I do not street race and the friends I speak of also do not street race they are race car drivers in clubs under CASC-OR and as such participate in legal sanctioned events put on by CASC-OR affiliated clubs.
I was speaking of mosport.... you actaully think my racing buddies would be caught dead at Darknights?
we were all at the track those days...anyways while I don't believe in exemptions for the law ever. I will highlight a contradiction in the whole thing (what bugs me the most)
the name P.A.C.E.R. Stands for Police and Community educating racers. that very name implies Police involvement within the program and as such I believe having cops near events such as mosport to had out tickets and pull over cars that look like they are going to those events.... (they weren't grabing minivans for inspection that day even said so to one of my buddies) just stinks.
while I believe they did lay some ligit charges and thats fine the idea of Coral them to a location and stake out that location to nab them stinks. On top of that they say they were doing it to keep a community safe. well if they want to keep the community safe thats great stake out the area I'm all for that, but don't hold a spot check just nab the drivers that are idiots on the street. hauling people over and running plates and checking engines and emissions and such is just plain bad taste. and it's like that because of the name of P. A.C.E.R and the word Police being in the name.
The Goal of P.A.C.E.R. is clear to get street racers off the street. thats great. however for example assume I'm a street racer, let say I decide ok time to get off the streets I hit up a P.A.C.E.R event and get nabbed byt he cops and bunch of BS tickets ... well next time I want to race I have a choice...
either A) go to the P.A.C.E.R. event knowing cops might pull the same stunt twice. or B) go street race where the cops are less likely to catch me. most likely I'd choose B. simply because while still having the risk of cops ... going to a P.A.C.E.R. event you know they are staking it out.
so you see the mandate of P.A.C.E.R. is in conflict with the results of P.A.C.E.R. you will never get the racers off the streets if you have police running spot checks at your events (while I know they took place outside the event they were on the main routes to the event and their goal was to catch the people going to and from the event, at which they were every successful) remember the name P.A.C.E.R. has Police in it. if you can't get them to cooperate and just look out for driving infractions on the routes to and from your events you will not achieve your mandate. period.
please note I do not street race and the friends I speak of also do not street race they are race car drivers in clubs under CASC-OR and as such participate in legal sanctioned events put on by CASC-OR affiliated clubs.
That's odd... I was at Mosport and never saw or heard of anyone getting stopped entering or leaving the event just because of what the car was. There were some very conspicuous cars on the road that day.
I know that Durham is aggressive on radar patrol in the area though, and that they regularly nail speeders on Durham Rd 20 and Durham Rd 57 going to and coming from the trcak, but your post is the first I have heard of any such complaint by anyone with respect to the Mosport event. If anything, people were commenting with surprise on how there were no such problems.
07-Apr-2004, 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by spl_civic
i was responding to jon_jai saying that whenever he sees a cop he makes a quick turn...where are you gonna go on the 401 express?
i was responding to jon_jai saying that whenever he sees a cop he makes a quick turn...where are you gonna go on the 401 express?
u can't turn anywhere when u're at 401. if u get pulled over on 401, den u must have done something wrong and not beacuse u have a big *** exhaust..etc.
im saying if u're juss cruisin down the street and u see a cop, i wouldn't mind making a turn and avoid them instead of having them check on my car..etc
08-Apr-2004, 09:20 AM
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so you're saying that everyone that has been pulled over on the 401 was speeding, or doing something wrong...nothing to do with their cars?
i have some friends who beg to differ...
when you get pulled over your first time and get harrassed then you'll know what everyone is talking about, and you'll be able to comment on my thread...until then just sit on the bench and watch the game
i have some friends who beg to differ...
when you get pulled over your first time and get harrassed then you'll know what everyone is talking about, and you'll be able to comment on my thread...until then just sit on the bench and watch the game
11-Apr-2004, 11:39 PM
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Ya, got a ticket for crancase breather. They said it was in violation of the smog control act. $25 part cost me 380 in fines. That sux!
The tints are blue fade to mirror at 45%. Really, you can see into the car no prob! He was just a *****. I got an A3 pretrial booked to try and get some of the charges dropped before it goes to court. I hope it would. I got a bunch of info from the manufactures and some pictures and sheite. Lets see how it goes!
The tints are blue fade to mirror at 45%. Really, you can see into the car no prob! He was just a *****. I got an A3 pretrial booked to try and get some of the charges dropped before it goes to court. I hope it would. I got a bunch of info from the manufactures and some pictures and sheite. Lets see how it goes!
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