Radar Detector
14-Jan-2007, 01:37 AM
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Radar Detector
soo i bought a radar detector a week or soo ago and i was on my way out too boston pizza tonight around 9 when i went over a hill and then on the other side theres a cop soo i glide by slow not even realizing i have that radar detector in the window then he starts following me and pulls me over...then i shoved it in my pants (the radar detector) and he pulls me over asks for licence and ownership/insurance and then he says "il also take that radar detector you got" soo i try denying it for a few minutes and finally give it up then he gives me a ticket for $170 AND 3 points 
soo basically im thinking of going too court im curious if theres any good way too get outta this although he says he picked it up on his RDD (spectra) because i already have 3 points this will make it 6 points....i need too get outta this!!!! any ideas???
soo basically im thinking of going too court im curious if theres any good way too get outta this although he says he picked it up on his RDD (spectra) because i already have 3 points this will make it 6 points....i need too get outta this!!!! any ideas???
14-Jan-2007, 05:01 AM
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Let me guess...
you bought a radar detector to avoid getting speeding tickets.
Well, how many tickets did you manage to avoid in that week?
Was it worth the ticket you got for having the radar detector, plus the money you piad for that radar detector that you now no longer have?
Anyways, there is no defence to having a radar detector in your car period. Not on the dash, not in the trunk, not in your pants. Doesn't even matter if you have it working or not.
Also, it's not like a speeding ticket that you can plea bargain down to a lower speed, so you won't be able to bargain this down to having half-a-detector in your car. Time to pony up the cash.
By the way, are you thinking of buying another detector? The fines for a second radar detector offence go much much higher than the piddly $170 you got this time..
you bought a radar detector to avoid getting speeding tickets.
Well, how many tickets did you manage to avoid in that week?
Was it worth the ticket you got for having the radar detector, plus the money you piad for that radar detector that you now no longer have?
Anyways, there is no defence to having a radar detector in your car period. Not on the dash, not in the trunk, not in your pants. Doesn't even matter if you have it working or not.
Also, it's not like a speeding ticket that you can plea bargain down to a lower speed, so you won't be able to bargain this down to having half-a-detector in your car. Time to pony up the cash.
By the way, are you thinking of buying another detector? The fines for a second radar detector offence go much much higher than the piddly $170 you got this time..
14-Jan-2007, 08:46 PM
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no need too bash...i knew there was a ticket i was prepared too pay...this is the fourth one iv owned first time i got caught though i didnt know there where points though i cant afford the points theres no option im gonna plea not guilty no matter what i just think it would help if anyone had any ideas of what too say that might help me get outta this...
14-Jan-2007, 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by CRXXX
too tell the truth i really wouldnt even care if it was like a $500 fine just as long as theres no points...
too tell the truth i really wouldnt even care if it was like a $500 fine just as long as theres no points...
You have a set fine on your ticket, but that set fine amount is the out of court settlement amount. If you decide to take it to court, that set fine no longer applies, and you can get dinged for an amount up to the maximun $1,000 prescribed by the HTA.
Also, on conviction at trial, your lifetime driving record is made available to the JP. If your driving record contains prior convictions for radar detectors and/or speeding, the JP could well decide to drive home the point and nail you with a higher amount than the set fine on your ticket.
You say you don't want more points on your license? Driving about in a manner that makes you think you need a radar detector is not the way to reach that goal. All that detector does for you is make you look to be deserving of every kick that the system can get in at you.
14-Jan-2007, 10:40 PM
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i agree with marker on this one big guy, no reason to of had one in the first place, and it'd be more safe for you to just pay the settlement fine instead of risking it in court. this kind of **** they don't **** around with
15-Jan-2007, 12:09 AM
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ok first off too get somthing straight i didnt have it soo i could speed the first few ibought i had for that reason but after i got my 50 over ticket i smartened up and having the radar detector was simply a novilty...but other then that im gonna go see if its possible for the people at "points" too do anything...
16-Jan-2007, 08:11 PM
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Ummm, next time don't try and hide the speed measuring warning device in your pants or elsewhere in the vehicle ... this will save you the embarassment (and trouble) of having an officer search you and your car for the device.
Trust me, by the time your device would've "warned" you regarding the presence of a speed measuring device, it would have been too late anyways.
Trust me, by the time your device would've "warned" you regarding the presence of a speed measuring device, it would have been too late anyways.
16-Jan-2007, 09:45 PM
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first off legally a cop cant search you enless he is either arresting you or has probal cause ie. you have a gun or drugs a radar detector isnt probable cause and would get trowen out of court iv seen it happen...but i decided too give it up why i dont know he seemed like he was going too just take it and let me go with a warning...and actually i did kinda laff as i pulled it outta my pants lol
16-Jan-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by CRXXX
first off legally a cop cant search you enless he is either arresting you or has probal cause ie. you have a gun or drugs a radar detector isnt probable cause and would get trowen out of court iv seen it happen...but i decided too give it up why i dont know he seemed like he was going too just take it and let me go with a warning...and actually i did kinda laff as i pulled it outta my pants lol
first off legally a cop cant search you enless he is either arresting you or has probal cause ie. you have a gun or drugs a radar detector isnt probable cause and would get trowen out of court iv seen it happen...but i decided too give it up why i dont know he seemed like he was going too just take it and let me go with a warning...and actually i did kinda laff as i pulled it outta my pants lol
16-Jan-2007, 10:33 PM
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Re: Radar Detector
Originally posted by CRXXX
he says he picked it up on his RDD (spectra)
he says he picked it up on his RDD (spectra)
The fact that you had it hidden in your pants won't help your case either. Obviously you knew it was illegal becuase you attempted to hide it.
You might have a slim chance if you hire a traffic lawyer, but what defence could you possibly come up with?
17-Jan-2007, 12:05 AM
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Re: Re: Radar Detector
Originally posted by DumbasSi
The Officer has reasonable and probable grounds to search because his Spectre detected your device. The Spectre gives him permsiion to search.
The Officer has reasonable and probable grounds to search because his Spectre detected your device. The Spectre gives him permsiion to search.
17-Jan-2007, 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by marker
He could arrest you for obstruct police, which is a nice catch-all that holds up quite easily in court. Once you are under arrest, he would be required by procedure to search you for weapons at which time he would easily find the radar detector. This is not the US, and the resultant "find" would be quite admissible as evidence in court.
He could arrest you for obstruct police, which is a nice catch-all that holds up quite easily in court. Once you are under arrest, he would be required by procedure to search you for weapons at which time he would easily find the radar detector. This is not the US, and the resultant "find" would be quite admissible as evidence in court.
no iv seen them try that before and it got throwen out and he got his radar detector back even...
17-Jan-2007, 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by CRXXX
no iv seen them try that before and it got throwen out and he got his radar detector back even...
no iv seen them try that before and it got throwen out and he got his radar detector back even...
Stupid people tend to get what they deserve in spades.
17-Jan-2007, 04:03 AM
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Radar wars
OPP say they can tell if drivers are operating an illegal warning device
By Pete Fisher, SPECIAL TO THE TORONTO SUN
August 22, 2005
NAPANEE -- The wall of 400 seized radar detectors clearly shows that people either aren't getting the message or don't care that radar detectors are illegal.
Stretching across an entire wall at the Eastern Ontario OPP traffic unit's Napanee office, the detectors stand testament to motorists' never-ending quest to get around speed laws and the determination of the police to stop them.
Officers from the Eastern Ontario OPP traffic unit have been collecting the units for almost a decade, seizing 500 radar detectors a year on average. But it's not uncommon for the team to confiscate 20 detectors in a day.
"We've kept one of every radar warning device we've seized over the last eight years as a training aid and a Wall of Shame," explains Const. Marc Gallant, proudly showing the Wall of Shame at the Napanee OPP detachment just off Hwy 401.
Radar warning devices, which can cost as little as $60 or up to $1,500 for one built into a vehicle, have been illegal for more than 20 years in Ontario.
The display includes one of the first radar-detector devices -- the Fuzzbuster -- as well as newer, smaller devices such as solar- powered units, radar detectors designed to look like global positioning system (GPS) devices, and some so small they would fit in a cigarette package.
But lawbreakers beware, the OPP are using 70 radar-detector detectors across the province and warn they will get you sooner or later.
Const. Gallant works with a team of four other officers patrolling the highways from Trenton to Kingston. The radar-detector detector in his unmarked cruiser can be positioned to face forward or backwards.
The device works by picking up the frequencies emitted by the radar warning devices and a tone sounds inside the police car.
The first detector-detectors were invented in the mid-1980s by an Ontario company.
But radar detector manufacturers modified the frequencies to get around the busters of fuzzbusters.
"It was a real cat-and-mouse game for a number of years and the police were losing," Gallant said.
But about five years ago, the OPP came across the Spectre Radar Detector Detector unit produced by an Australian company called Stealth Micro Systems. It picks up all radar warning devices.
Most first-time offenders in Ontario get off with a $170 fine and their detector is seized. Repeat offenders face fines of up to $1,000.
But drivers continue to use the devices, perhaps lured by advertisements which say new technology prevents detection by the police.
"But sooner or later they won't be," Gallant said. "There is not, right now, a radar warning device that we can't pick up in North America that we're aware of."
Not surprisingly, he says, at least 40% of the people charged with having a radar warning device are also charged with speeding at the time they are pulled over.
"More often than not, if I charge a person with a radar warning device and I pull their record they'll have a far more significant driving history for rules-of-the-road violations, including speeding," he said.
He said it's not uncommon to encounter someone with a radar detector going to court who has up to 30 charges on their driving history.
"The primary reason we see out here for buying these things is because they are habitual speeders. They want to go fast, they like to go fast and they want to reduce their risk level of getting caught."
In the past year, Gallant has stopped vehicles with radar detectors travelling at speeds of up to 180 km/h.
Some people try to hide the devices but that can lead to a much more serious criminal charge of obstructing a police officer.
Every OPP detachment traffic team has at least two Spectre Radar Detector Detectors. Gallant said driving from Toronto to Montreal, "you can guarantee on any given day you're going to pass half a dozen units."
As Gallant recently sat in his cruiser on an ramp to Hwy. 401, the Spectre Radar Detector Detector signalled a vehicle equipped with a radar detector had just passed.
Gallant quickly identified the vehicle and caught up.
After activating his emergency lights, the driver of the sports car pulled over to the side.
A 28-year-old Bowmanville man was charged with having a radar detector in his vehicle.
"He turned it over when I asked for it. He had it stuffed down the crotch of his pants. He knew why I was stopping him; that's why he hid it."
Gallant said the driver had a number of speeding offences and admitted he bought the unit to avoid tickets.
Gallant said he's heard all the excuses. "They say it wasn't turned on or they didn't know what it was. I had one person tell me it was a present they had just received and they didn't want to lose it."
The veteran police officer has some advice for drivers trying to avoid the police by having a radar detector: "With the technology we have, buy cheap ... you're going to buy often because I'll be seizing them."
OPP say they can tell if drivers are operating an illegal warning device
By Pete Fisher, SPECIAL TO THE TORONTO SUN
August 22, 2005
NAPANEE -- The wall of 400 seized radar detectors clearly shows that people either aren't getting the message or don't care that radar detectors are illegal.
Stretching across an entire wall at the Eastern Ontario OPP traffic unit's Napanee office, the detectors stand testament to motorists' never-ending quest to get around speed laws and the determination of the police to stop them.
Officers from the Eastern Ontario OPP traffic unit have been collecting the units for almost a decade, seizing 500 radar detectors a year on average. But it's not uncommon for the team to confiscate 20 detectors in a day.
"We've kept one of every radar warning device we've seized over the last eight years as a training aid and a Wall of Shame," explains Const. Marc Gallant, proudly showing the Wall of Shame at the Napanee OPP detachment just off Hwy 401.
Radar warning devices, which can cost as little as $60 or up to $1,500 for one built into a vehicle, have been illegal for more than 20 years in Ontario.
The display includes one of the first radar-detector devices -- the Fuzzbuster -- as well as newer, smaller devices such as solar- powered units, radar detectors designed to look like global positioning system (GPS) devices, and some so small they would fit in a cigarette package.
But lawbreakers beware, the OPP are using 70 radar-detector detectors across the province and warn they will get you sooner or later.
Const. Gallant works with a team of four other officers patrolling the highways from Trenton to Kingston. The radar-detector detector in his unmarked cruiser can be positioned to face forward or backwards.
The device works by picking up the frequencies emitted by the radar warning devices and a tone sounds inside the police car.
The first detector-detectors were invented in the mid-1980s by an Ontario company.
But radar detector manufacturers modified the frequencies to get around the busters of fuzzbusters.
"It was a real cat-and-mouse game for a number of years and the police were losing," Gallant said.
But about five years ago, the OPP came across the Spectre Radar Detector Detector unit produced by an Australian company called Stealth Micro Systems. It picks up all radar warning devices.
Most first-time offenders in Ontario get off with a $170 fine and their detector is seized. Repeat offenders face fines of up to $1,000.
But drivers continue to use the devices, perhaps lured by advertisements which say new technology prevents detection by the police.
"But sooner or later they won't be," Gallant said. "There is not, right now, a radar warning device that we can't pick up in North America that we're aware of."
Not surprisingly, he says, at least 40% of the people charged with having a radar warning device are also charged with speeding at the time they are pulled over.
"More often than not, if I charge a person with a radar warning device and I pull their record they'll have a far more significant driving history for rules-of-the-road violations, including speeding," he said.
He said it's not uncommon to encounter someone with a radar detector going to court who has up to 30 charges on their driving history.
"The primary reason we see out here for buying these things is because they are habitual speeders. They want to go fast, they like to go fast and they want to reduce their risk level of getting caught."
In the past year, Gallant has stopped vehicles with radar detectors travelling at speeds of up to 180 km/h.
Some people try to hide the devices but that can lead to a much more serious criminal charge of obstructing a police officer.
Every OPP detachment traffic team has at least two Spectre Radar Detector Detectors. Gallant said driving from Toronto to Montreal, "you can guarantee on any given day you're going to pass half a dozen units."
As Gallant recently sat in his cruiser on an ramp to Hwy. 401, the Spectre Radar Detector Detector signalled a vehicle equipped with a radar detector had just passed.
Gallant quickly identified the vehicle and caught up.
After activating his emergency lights, the driver of the sports car pulled over to the side.
A 28-year-old Bowmanville man was charged with having a radar detector in his vehicle.
"He turned it over when I asked for it. He had it stuffed down the crotch of his pants. He knew why I was stopping him; that's why he hid it."
Gallant said the driver had a number of speeding offences and admitted he bought the unit to avoid tickets.
Gallant said he's heard all the excuses. "They say it wasn't turned on or they didn't know what it was. I had one person tell me it was a present they had just received and they didn't want to lose it."
The veteran police officer has some advice for drivers trying to avoid the police by having a radar detector: "With the technology we have, buy cheap ... you're going to buy often because I'll be seizing them."
18-Jan-2007, 01:59 AM
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"But sooner or later they won't be," Gallant said. "There is not, right now, a radar warning device that we can't pick up in North America that we're aware of."
"But sooner or later they won't be," Gallant said. "There is not, right now, a radar warning device that we can't pick up in North America that we're aware of."
http://www.beltronics.com/sti.html
18-Jan-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by CRXXX
haha how old is that artical? beltronics has had the sti driver out for about a year now...
http://www.beltronics.com/sti.html
haha how old is that artical? beltronics has had the sti driver out for about a year now...
http://www.beltronics.com/sti.html
In any case, you don't need Spectre to catch drivers with radar detectors. I know they have already collected quite a few of them in both Peel and Guelph. Betweem the lost 400+ US$ for the detector, plus $170 minimum fine, plus associated speeding ticket, plus demerits, the kick up the backside is a good hard one.
