bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

Cynikal, why do we have to conform to an unwritten law?? It doesn't say ANYWHERE in the HTA anything about having to be orange?? The bottom line here is that they GOTTA have better things to do than chase down who's got whatever color bulbs in their car - ESPECIALLY if that color is NOT illegal. I've seen blue turn signals soooo many times and no one says isht. Yet Alex over here gets pulled over for white signals. Now he's gotta take time away from school/work/family to go to court for something he's obviously not guilty of just cuz some ****** decided he had a 1/2 hour to waste by pulling someone over.

As for buying orange bulbs for a 96-98 Civic - good ****ing luck!!!! I searched for 3 years for orange 3496 bulb - there isn't one!!! In 1999-2000 they switched to a 1157 bulb, which is made in an orange 1157NA. So the way to go would be to buy pigtails from a dealer for a 99-00 Civic and hope that they fit into the 96-98 housing, and fill it with a 1157NA bulb. Me, I'm just gonna put the reflectors and cap back into the lights. Keep the black housing, but with the amber in there.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

I think the bottom line is, if u modify your car in anyway....then what the norm is of that specific car....your gonna get stares...and ppl are gonna look at you.....including cops.....and cops will pull you over to check it all out.


The cop, if he was really smart coulda gotten away with givin u a ticket for that being the section above that'z quoted, seing how even though ur bulb display a white light when lit....when not lit...if u have the hyper whites, that are blue in color you'd be done......

Also it's quite possible, cause i know yesturday was a bit sunny at times......if you were signaling.....u really can't see the white light when it'z shinning......if sun is directly hitting it....and if u have ur reflector removed....that'z just really bad.....

i'm not arguing nor am i trying to start any kinda arugement

Simply stating that we all need to be careful when modifying our cars to conform with the law......that'z why it is the law.......it'z set out to protect us........and even for a stupid signaling ticket.....it could make a difference on the rd. cause if someone can't see ur signal properly......it could lead to a fender bender or worse

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

the law is vague and often contradicts itself.

(7) No person shall drive upon a highway a motor vehicle if either or both of the lamps that are required on the front of the vehicle by subsections (1), (2) and (3), (A) are coated or covered with a coloured material

For example... here they say that the forward bulbs are NOT to be colored. Am I stupid, or is orange a color and marker lights are required on the front of the vehicle? So forward orange bulbs are illegal, yet required great argument there Illest.

Also, what if the bulbs are NOT required, but ARE colored? (well, I know the answer as a different section of the HTA covers that, but I'm just saying). Besides Alex is charged with violation of a SPECIFIC section, which he is clearly not in violation of.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Agreed

EL_Sport

The way I see it, if you change things like signal lights, etc. to something different than OEM, expect to attract the wrong kind of attention and likely end up with a ticket, justified or not.

I also find it ironic how so many of you on here generalize all cops or certain entire police forces as jerks, *******, etc. and yet you also seem to get mad when society or police officers generalize you as a street racer due to the fact you are driving a modified car. Ahem, you kids are doing the same thing with posts like this.

Just my 2 cents.

Cynikal.Mindset

well lets put it this way...for lights to be DOT and SAE legal they must contain an orange reflector piece that is visible from the side...or the orange reflector can be on the front bumper on the side

same goes for the rear there must be a red reflector piece visible from the side either on the taillights itself or on the body

this is why first gen altezzas are not DOT/SAE legal and why clear corners arent either. thats why u see people that insist on having clear rear tails using red reflective tape on the bumper or instal rear side marker lamps.

agreed the HTA is up and down and around and around with what it says, so all you can do is fight the ticket or whatever and deal with it...no sense in whinig like a little girl that you got nabbed, take it like a man and do what you have to do.

thats why 96-98 had the reflector in them....no amber bulb available but there is an amber reflector right? so it equals to the same thing.

in the end what is done is done and its always gonna happen to random people...I've seen police wait on a corner and watch people come around the corner and pick off everybody that came around that corner with blue/green/red whatever front turn signals...its a fact of life nowadays. So basically its go amber or go home


on a side note...I just noticed lastnight my bumper lights are fuggin hyper white...they look so nasty!!! gotta get me some amber bulbs and paint the lens covers amber aswell...damn previous owner!!!

imported_audiophilia

Profiling a person's race and/or ride does happen, whether a 'Policy and Procedure', a hidden agenda, or a person's (un)natural inclinations. Yet, I'm sure many cops do not comply with the written/unwritten rule. It's insidious at best...

What is not up for debate are the financial implications for the cities of the GTA. Traffic taxes, which is exactly what Draconian measures imply they are, help enormously with the budgetary bottom line.

If they came out and called tickets what they really are (and the complicit insurance rapers), I would not have such a problem with it. It's only when the self-righteous among them (there are *so* many), and the 'laws', imply that we are in the wrong does it get my blood boiling.

Not all laws are fair. Many in the traffic domain are wrong and hurtful...

PULOVR

wrong again................well, kinda.

First, it doesn't have to be orange.

Second, a cop once told me that reflectors are not mandatory on a vehicle (car). They are only there as a back-up device, just in case the lights burn out at night. That way cars can still see you.


I also heard the same argument in court about 3 years ago. (I was there to help a friend get out of a ticket).

A girl had be ticketed for her Altezza. They didn't have reflectors in the lens, and the cop gave the girl a ticket for them.

I was in that cort room, because my friends name had been pushed back to an hour later, and I was board.

The judge and cop had gone out to look at the girls car in the parking lot, and the judge found nothing wrong with the Altezzas.

She had lights like this.......

As you can see, there is no reflector in this lens, but they are still legal because the red can be viewed from the sides of the car.....as long as the bulbs are working.

That's why she got off.

Cynikal.Mindset

yea but u can see the red from the side of the car is what I mean...1st gen altezzas you could only see silver from the side of the car at all times which is why they were deemed illegal and not DOT approved...luckily the 1st gen altezzas were made like utter crap and 90% of em leaked, cracked and fell apart...and the owners got the new DOT approved ones or went back to oem

like this picture of a 1st gen ford altezza, the red is recessed making in not visible from the side, these were not DOT legal

PULOVR

But your original argument was....


and....



As as you should already know, 5th gens don't have relfectors in the bumpers.


(the word orange can be switched to red)

PULOVR

You are arguing with me, from what I heard a cop and a judge deem legal.

PULOVR

BTW, didn't the car that had these.......





........... have reflectors in the bumper?

If yes, then they are also legal by your argument above, about the reflectors having to be in the bumpers.

imported_Torrey

I wonder if it was my buddy, hes been a peel cop for 6 months... and I know he'll pull over modded cars just for fun.

I wouldnt have a modded car if I lived in that region.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

LOL and why wouldn't u have a modded car if u lived in that region.....if u comply with the HTA and other various acts.....ur fine...no worries.....

if u do dumb things like stick blue turn signals in ur car, or drop ur car right to the floor......etc....ur asking for it.

Cop comes up to you......u explain to him exactly what'z goin down........i know i walk with the HTA on me all the time...LOL just for this specfic reason...and other various law books which i keep in my glove compartment or right on my backseat.....all consolidated versions......which are nice and little..........any problems u refer to the law right on the spot.........and shut whoever is hassling u up.....or if they disagree......and u know ur right.........just say straight up.......okay officer.......i'll see you in court then....have a nice day....and be on ur way

Cynikal.Mindset

ah fack, this kinda thing can go on and on...all information is left up to governing bodies to read into it in what ever favor they want it to...which when it comes to things like lighting etc I keep it on the safe side...what the car came with is fine with me, not to mention most lighting mods look stupid anyways (white signals are hard to see in the sunlight anyways and maybe thats where they have a problem with it)

I just really had a problem with the blatent defamation of peel region police...no need to call them "*******" I know many of the people that serve peel and they do a great job at it and just like every job out there; there are people doin the job that are just not nice in the first place...that is all

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Agreed.....the reason why i even posted in this thread was because of the same reason.....there is no reason to ever call any police officers *******.........even if they do deserve it.....u never know what they were invovled in prior to pulling u over.
i know a lot on the Peel's Force as well.....they are a bunch of great guys in my eyes as all police officers are

PULOVR

If white signals are so hard to see in the daytime, then why are daylight driving lights mandatory on newer cars?

Daytime running headlights give off way less light, than a white corner marker flashing.


(think about it)

Cynikal.Mindset

think about this...most DTRL are the same lights as used at night right? okay...so in the day if the DTRL are on and u have a white bulb in the headlight assembly flashing will it not be hard to see? I think so as the DTRL is the same colour and intenisity (give or take) as the white signal bulb...thus making it harder to see than an amber bulb.

okay I'm done here...no more I swear! hahahaha...pulovr I'm gonna kill you man if u post somethin else that makes me wanna post again! hahahahahahaha

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Daytime runners are mandatory for visibility reasons......so u know what cars are in motion .........from cars that aren't in motion.......in most cases that is an arguement.....

The law is weird...and it'z pointless to argue about things like the law right in this thread....cause u can go on for days...and days an days with subsections and case law etc. . .

imported2nv

i feel like im being followed every time i go into brampton
i have been pulld over three times out of like 8 times i go there and the other 5 i get followed from one end of the town to the other having to watch my speed limit.
well all i have to say is peel does suck and they have nothing better to do than chase around civics that are modded.
p.s. every ticket that i got i fought and the cop has never shown up because they know the tickets they hand out are usless.
just want to waist the time of hard working civic owners.
bunch of bitchs they are.