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ngking1 04-Jan-2008 10:07 PM

License plate cover FINE!!!!
 
Hey i've heard that license plate covers were illegal and vice versa. But anyways i just got a ticket for having a plate cover, is there any possible way i can fight this BS ticket. It will cost me 110 and while i'm at it... i just got my car from the garage after a one month repair from some crazy bitch hitting me and i forgot my proof of ownership and insurance thing at home due to me taking it out.... is there not a 24 hour period where i have to prove that i'm insured.. cause i just got 3 tickets in one pull over. He also mentioned how i looked like a "speed racer" PLZ HELP!!!

k_r_a_c_k_e_r 04-Jan-2008 10:13 PM

I have been pulled over before for having plate covers, but was just told to take them off, never got a ticket.. but Im pretty sure there illegal.

ngking1 04-Jan-2008 10:15 PM

How about the ownership and insurance thing... is there anyway i can get rid of that?

k_r_a_c_k_e_r 04-Jan-2008 10:19 PM

I always thought you could go within 24 hours with your insurance and ownership to prove that you have it.. but that might just be a warning thing.. I'm not to sure.. sounds like the cop just gave you tickets..

did he tell you, you could go and prove it and they'll be dropped?

jdesouz 04-Jan-2008 10:20 PM

illegal if its tinted or a different color. I have clear ones no probs ... but any other color is illegal becuz it impairs the license plate.

and yes 24 hrs to prove u have a license and insurance / ownership but u have to go and get the ticket dropped they still give u incase u dont prove once u prove it will be dropped

ngking1 04-Jan-2008 10:27 PM

Thanks guys... man im just having a pissed off day... and i feel like the damn cop was low on his quota and needed to throw some tickets at me....

jdesouz 04-Jan-2008 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by ngking1 (Post 43624)
Thanks guys... man im just having a pissed off day... and i feel like the damn cop was low on his quota and needed to throw some tickets at me....

bahahahha prob jus go in a prove ur ownership/license/insurance if thats what the ticket was for they have no choice but to drop it

btw id fight the ticket and change ur plate covers to clear ones ... take it to court he prob wont show

even if he shows how will her prove they werent clear ones? thats ur best bet

and if they dont drop the insurance/ownership take that to court too

hatchie 05-Jan-2008 01:28 AM

hmmm.. i personally asked a cop... and he said light tinted smoked covers are okay.. its the blue /yellow ones that are illegal..................

phuviano 05-Jan-2008 01:41 AM

Why does every one just assume?? Covers of any type are illegal, well, at least in Ontario. It doesn't matter if its blue, yellow, smoked or clear. Read the HTA, and you will see that I am correct. Yes you can get a ticket for a clear cover. Does it really happen often?? Probably not.

I do have clear covers on my plates, and I've never been pulled over for them. They still are technically illegal though.

As for the 24 hour law to show proof of insurance. I'm pretty sure that use to be the law. I believe the you have to have show proof of insurance at any time its request now. I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I am 100% sure on the plate covers.

rjngo 05-Jan-2008 12:05 PM

been using these license covers for almost 7 yrs...never been pulled over

btw i've used clear, blue, yellow, smoked, light blue...no one pulled me over and i live very close to 51 division too

kIeRaN 05-Jan-2008 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by phuviano (Post 43648)
Why does every one just assume?? Covers of any type are illegal, well, at least in Ontario. It doesn't matter if its blue, yellow, smoked or clear. Read the HTA, and you will see that I am correct. Yes you can get a ticket for a clear cover. Does it really happen often?? Probably not.

I do have clear covers on my plates, and I've never been pulled over for them. They still are technically illegal though.

As for the 24 hour law to show proof of insurance. I'm pretty sure that use to be the law. I believe the you have to have show proof of insurance at any time its request now. I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I am 100% sure on the plate covers.

clear ones are legal, have u read the HTA?

screwface 05-Jan-2008 02:23 PM

heh sux about the plate covers... insurance is 24hr but i was hit with a court date for no ownership. still yet to go... i wonder how that's gonna turn out since the car's been sold since then hah

ngking1 05-Jan-2008 02:31 PM

Well i've seen some cars such as subaru's that come stock with clear plates.. so i'm assuming they are legal... thats a good asumption right?

DumbasSi 05-Jan-2008 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by ngking1 (Post 43719)
Well i've seen some cars such as subaru's that come stock with clear plates.. so i'm assuming they are legal... thats a good asumption right?

Not really. C-T sells then, but that does not make them legal. I believe the HTA states that the plates must not be covered period. That means covers, dirt, rust, etc.

Team Rukus 05-Jan-2008 06:10 PM

did everyone crawl under a rock and hide when ontario banned all and every licence plate cover? it was only a year ago. its illegal to have any type of cover. if you get pulled over you can be charged for it if the cop feels like it. just because you didnt get pulled over for it or havent been charged for it doesnt mean you wont and its legal.

rick10 07-Jan-2008 06:00 PM

that is new to me . i have blue covers and i been pulled over once for beating a red light (actually it was a yellow light) but the cop only gave me a warning and said nothing about the blue covers.

I had cops behind me so many times but they never pulled me over for that. Worst case scenario you can just tell them you bought them at canadian tire and you did not know they were illegal. You can still find them at canadian tire , i guess you can always bring that to cout and just tell them that you didn't know they were illegal.

Plus if you took your driving test more than a year ago there is not way for you to know they are illegal , even more if they still sell it at canadian tire with not warnings. I am sure you can fight that

starboy869 07-Jan-2008 06:05 PM

OMG!! The covers are still illegal. Even the ones you can buy at Canadian Tire come with a warning to check your local laws before street use.

Team Rukus 07-Jan-2008 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by rick10 (Post 44204)
that is new to me . i have blue covers and i been pulled over once for beating a red light (actually it was a yellow light) but the cop only gave me a warning and said nothing about the blue covers.

I had cops behind me so many times but they never pulled me over for that. Worst case scenario you can just tell them you bought them at canadian tire and you did not know they were illegal. You can still find them at canadian tire , i guess you can always bring that to cout and just tell them that you didn't know they were illegal.

Plus if you took your driving test more than a year ago there is not way for you to know they are illegal , even more if they still sell it at canadian tire with not warnings. I am sure you can fight that


ignorance of the law is no excuse in canada. good try but sry. laws are made every day its your responsibility as a canadian to know about it. just because its sold doesnt mean its legal. knifes are sold at stores but can you carry one on you when your walking down the street? i dont think so. learn the rules of the game bro.

rick10 07-Jan-2008 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Team Rukus (Post 44213)
ignorance of the law is no excuse in canada. good try but sry. laws are made every day its your responsibility as a canadian to know about it. just because its sold doesnt mean its legal. knifes are sold at stores but can you carry one on you when your walking down the street? i dont think so. learn the rules of the game bro.


how can you compare knifes to license plate covers????.. there is a huge difference comparing both .

Another point is that the license plate cover is a relative new law and most of us are not aware of it. I am sure if you explain to a cop he would give you a break.

There is a huge difference between you buying a knife and carrying it with you than you putting a harmless license plate cover on your car
Also, It is common sense that you can not be carrying a knife than it is for you to put a license cover plate.

btw i like the way you compared things !

Just to add more , most of my friends have license cover plates and they never run into this kind of problem. So it can't be as bad as you carrying a knife PLOP!

starboy869 07-Jan-2008 07:01 PM

Another point is that the license plate cover is a relative new law and most of us are not aware of it. I am sure if you explain to a cop he would give you a break.

The +50km/hr is also relatively a new law also.

Pyro 07-Jan-2008 07:03 PM

what about the new speeding laws? you gonna say that you didn't know cause it's a fairly new law?

bottom line, ignorance doesn't cut it in the court of law

Just because you and all your friends do it and don't get in trouble doesn't mean it's not illegal. Do i get trouble from cops for j-walking? no. is it illegal? yes.

rick10 07-Jan-2008 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Pyro (Post 44226)
what about the new speeding laws? you gonna say that you didn't know cause it's a fairly new law?

bottom line, ignorance doesn't cut it in the court of law

Just because you and all your friends do it and don't get in trouble doesn't mean it's not illegal. Do i get trouble from cops for j-walking? no. is it illegal? yes.


how can anyone compared the license plate covers to speeding laws?? Aside from you seing the big warnings on the highway everytime you go on it as well as being advertise in many places , this is a common sense law people!!!...that's why there is signs with speed limits everywhere you go!!

So if tomorrow they say that cars can not have performance tires , rims that are bigger than the stock ones , euro rear lights , stickers , everyone is supposed to know this?? .....

There is a hugeee difference between comparing common sense law than to compare stupid laws like the cover plate one or the ones i put as an example.

rick10 07-Jan-2008 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by starboy869 (Post 44225)
Another point is that the license plate cover is a relative new law and most of us are not aware of it. I am sure if you explain to a cop he would give you a break.

The +50km/hr is also relatively a new law also.


it is , but is a common sense law... its not like before you could go 50 k over and nothing was going to happen .

Also this law its being advertise on many places. If you go on the highway to can always see the warnings about the 50 k and over speed limit.

The same applies for the seat belt that has to be wear by the passengers in the back.

We are talking about cosmetics in your car.

rick10 07-Jan-2008 07:42 PM

anyways i just spoke to a buddy from my soccer team who is a cop.

They are illegal (which i found out earlier here) , however it is almost impossible to get pull over because of them and even more is to get a ticket for having them on.

A cop can technically do it but they do not bother , unless they really want to pull you over and they need to have a reason to do it (speeding, racing type car, lowered car, suspicious look , etc). Or id they pulled you over for a different reason and your attitude ask for more tickets

He has only seen not more than 3 people getting a ticket for license plate covers but those tickets were given after the person was ticketed for different infraction (beating a red light , etc) , or punks giving attitude to the police officer (big no no!).


we also had a good laughed when I compared the license plate tickets to the 50k over limit ticket or you in possession of a knife.

He also said you can fight the ticket at court and they will most likely dropped it or at least reduce it , it all depends how you present your case because it is not a major infraction and it is not like you put someones life in danger (beating red light , speeding )

rick10 07-Jan-2008 10:35 PM

this is what i found on the highway traffic act

Number plate to be kept clean
(2) Every number plate shall be kept free from dirt and obstruction and shall be affixed so that the entire number plate, including the numbers, is plainly visible at all times, and the view of the number plate shall not be obscured or obstructed by spare tires, bumper bars, any part of the vehicle, any attachments to the vehicle or the load carried. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (7).
Obstruction prohibited
(3) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a photo-radar system. 1993, c. 31, s. 2 (5).
Same
(3.0.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a red light camera system. 1998, c. 38, s. 2 (1).
Same
(3.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device or material that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being identified by an electronic toll system. 1996, c. 1, Sched. E, s. 2 (1).


ummm it is still not very clear to me that they forbid all plate covers as long as the plate number can be visible to the police and cameras. although the whole act is huge , maybe someone can find where it clearly states "not plate covers at all"

here is the link
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...es_90h08_e.htm

Jay P 07-Jan-2008 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by rick10 (Post 44275)
this is what i found on the highway traffic act

Number plate to be kept clean
(2) Every number plate shall be kept free from dirt and obstruction and shall be affixed so that the entire number plate, including the numbers, is plainly visible at all times, and the view of the number plate shall not be obscured or obstructed by spare tires, bumper bars, any part of the vehicle, any attachments to the vehicle or the load carried. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (7).
Obstruction prohibited
(3) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a photo-radar system. 1993, c. 31, s. 2 (5).
Same
(3.0.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a red light camera system. 1998, c. 38, s. 2 (1).
Same
(3.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device or material that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being identified by an electronic toll system. 1996, c. 1, Sched. E, s. 2 (1).


ummm it is still not very clear to me that they forbid all plate covers as long as the plate number can be visible to the police and cameras. although the whole act is huge , maybe someone can find where it clearly states "not plate covers at all"

here is the link
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...es_90h08_e.htm






yeah try explaining this to a cop should you ever get a ticket for your plate covers...


rock em.. thats cool.. IF you do get a ticket.. don't cry!

imarkus 07-Jan-2008 10:55 PM

I once got pulled over for the whole license plate thing. Not for the cover (didnt have one), but for my cr being extremely dirty. Kinda embarassing because he chuckled while he warned me.

Team Rukus 07-Jan-2008 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by rick10 (Post 44227)
So if tomorrow they say that cars can not have performance tires , rims that are bigger than the stock ones , euro rear lights , stickers , everyone is supposed to know this?? .....

There is a hugeee difference between comparing common sense law than to compare stupid laws like the cover plate one or the ones i put as an example.


Driving is a privilege NOT a right. it doesnt matter if its as small as having plate covers or as big as modifying cars YOU NEED TO LEARN THE DAMN LAW AND OBEY IT. OR Pay the damn fines when you do eventually get a ticket.

rick10 07-Jan-2008 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by Jay P (Post 44279)
yeah try explaining this to a cop should you ever get a ticket for your plate covers...


rock em.. thats cool.. IF you do get a ticket.. don't cry!



i dont have to argue with a cop ... i ll take it to court simple as that.
Plus i being pulled over by cops 3 times last year , they never even mentioned the plate covers . I had cops behind my car so many times ( i live close by a police station) never had a problem.
furthermore i learned that when i cop pulls you over it all depends on the attitude you showed him for him to give you a warning or a ticket. And also how you present your case, i wouldn't tell a cop to read the hta because he ll give me a ticket.

Plus people you gotta understand having a plate cover its not like you went past the speed limit or beat a red light (some people even compared to the 50k + limit), it is a simple offense and most cops would not stop you or even give you a ticket for it. There is always the odd case when that happens but you can surely take it to court !, come on if you can take a speeding ticket to court , why not a stupid cover plate ticket.!

Double B 07-Jan-2008 11:19 PM

A lot of stuff is being said in this thread and all points are being misunderstood.

Nobody said that having a knife or doing over 50 is the same as the license plate cover. All they are saying is, you know those to be illegal, yet no one knows about the plate cover.

Bottom line, the plate cover is illegal and your best bet is to take it to court. If you win, bonus, if not, pay the fine and now everyone knows the law


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