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Old 16-Oct-2008, 05:56 PM
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I realize a lot of people on this site act like your guilty untill proven innocent but, you did admit you were speeding. That being said...

I say fight it but show up in your sunday best and be just this side of annoyingly polite. You don't want then to reverse the reduction. The officer will have that he was doing Xkm per hour and you passed him, and something along the lines of he accelerated to match your speed or blah blah blah... in his discolsure. Look at the ticket. Is there an "R" after the charge? If not then they can't reverse the charge from 115 to whatever speed he said he reduced it from as he prolly didn't put that in there and doesn't really know what speed to charge you with.

Also I wouldn't be too quick to say "everyone else was doing it" cuz you know where that'll get you. you didn't have to be in that lane. You were the one he pulled over so that in itself makes it look like you were the worst offender and the reason that others had to go over the speed limit to keep up with the flow you were setting.
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Old 16-Oct-2008, 07:19 PM
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys, appreciate it a lot. I dunno what to do, It's a small charge, but the principle is that I wasn't the only one going that speed. I just dont know how well that will go over with the judge...
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Old 16-Oct-2008, 07:25 PM
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The fact that you werent the only one going that speed has no bearing. I would not even mention it. Just because they were doing it dosent make it ok.
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Old 17-Oct-2008, 08:38 AM
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Is that truly your defense? Everyone else was doing it, so you did it too? Yeah, take it to court and fight it.

Oh, by the way, everyone on the 407 is going to deposit their pay cheque into my account, PM me for the account # and I'll get it to you!

I heard a good analogy once that was said by a cop. A guy was at a car show, and he rolled a stop sign. The cop walked over and wrote him a ticket for failure to stop at a stop sign. The driver said the same thing, no one else was stopping and the cop said to the driver "You ever go fishing?"
the driver says "Yeah all the time"
Cop says "Have you ever caught ALL the fish?"

You're a fish. You got caught. You have your options, you can pay it, and not be a bother to the system, or you can exercise your rights and fight it. Is $52 worth missing work and the trouble of going to court? That's for you to decide.

The ticket is valid. The cop was driving at the necessary speeds to catch people breaking the law. That is how it will be seen in the eyes of the court. If you have a problem with speeding OPP cruisers, file a report with the station. I find that a little hypocritical, personally.
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Old 18-Oct-2008, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by username
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Is that truly your defense? Everyone else was doing it, so you did it too? Yeah, take it to court and fight it.

Oh, by the way, everyone on the 407 is going to deposit their pay cheque into my account, PM me for the account # and I'll get it to you!
Never said that was my defense....kinda unnecessary comment here.

My defense would be that I was going with the flow of traffic, I was in the passing lane to change, had to increase speed to do so since it would have been a risk to pass at nominal speed.
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Old 18-Oct-2008, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ashtonp24
Never said that was my defense....kinda unnecessary comment here.

My defense would be that I was going with the flow of traffic, I was in the passing lane to change, had to increase speed to do so since it would have been a risk to pass at nominal speed.

So you admit speeding with the flow of traffic, yet, you found the need to go faster, you decided that going 130km wasn't fast enough and went to pass, knowingly going over the limit already, you consciously went faster top pass someone who was also speeding.

Yeah, Darwin has a new favorite.
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Old 19-Oct-2008, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by cr8tive_leo
So you admit speeding with the flow of traffic, yet, you found the need to go faster, you decided that going 130km wasn't fast enough and went to pass, knowingly going over the limit already, you consciously went faster top pass someone who was also speeding.

Yeah, Darwin has a new favorite.
???

If you were going 120 with the flow of traffic, would you slow down to 100?

You would be lying if you said yes. Either that, or you've never taken the 407 ever.
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Old 19-Oct-2008, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ashtonp24
???

If you were going 120 with the flow of traffic, would you slow down to 100?
I'm sure most would say no, but to continue on, you still risk getting caught. Play with fire, you might get burned.

Any ticket is worth fighting, but just make sure you get the disclosure. That way at least you might have a better defence.

I wnder if anyone has tried to fight a ticket generated from one of the OPP airplanes. They pace you just like the OPP that ticketed the o/p of this thread,
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Old 19-Oct-2008, 09:26 PM
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Don't they have some kind of speed measuring device on board of the plane?
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by xray
Don't they have some kind of speed measuring device on board of the plane?
A stopwatch.

It's used to time how long it takes for you to cross painted markings spaced exactly 1 km apart along the highway. At 120 km per hour, you'll travel from one marking to the next in exactly 30 seconds.
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 08:18 AM
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the funny things is that fighting the ticket...what are u gonna plea? guilty with an explanation or not guilty (denying that you were going 130)?
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ashtonp24
Never said that was my defense....kinda unnecessary comment here.

My defense would be that I was going with the flow of traffic, I was in the passing lane to change, had to increase speed to do so since it would have been a risk to pass at nominal speed.
Unnnecessary? Public forum, you put your story up, suck it up.

Secondly,
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I can still say that I was going with the flow of traffic though, no?
those are your words.

LOL, just pay the ticket dude. Slow down.
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ashtonp24
It's a small charge, but the principle is that I wasn't the only one going that speed.
If you're not the only one throwing bricks through windows during a riot, does that make it ok then too?

Besides, you admit that you were not going with the flow, but in fact pulling out to pass vehicles.
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FiveO
If you're not the only one throwing bricks through windows during a riot, does that make it ok then too?

Besides, you admit that you were not going with the flow, but in fact pulling out to pass vehicles.
What's with all the ridiculous analogies? Jeeze, come on, I get it.

I'm sure I could fight the ticket and win. But, it's not worth the time I'd take to go and schedule my date, show up and wait for a few hours to do so. I'd rather just get it off my plate, it's no points, would be a different story if it were, that's the decision.

Thanks for all the help
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 12:39 PM
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Unnnecessary? Public forum, you put your story up, suck it up.

Secondly,

those are your words.

LOL, just pay the ticket dude. Slow down.
I know what I said man, calm it down. There would be an inherent risk in slowing down when the flow of traffic was at that pace, that's it.
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ashtonp24
???

If you were going 120 with the flow of traffic, would you slow down to 100?

You would be lying if you said yes. Either that, or you've never taken the 407 ever.
I stay within 5km - 10km of the speed limit. I'm in no rush to go anywhere.
I don't feel the need to go with the flow of traffic, that's what the right lane is for, people who like to go the speed limit.

Take the 407 all the time. I laugh at the jokers doing 125+ then ending up waiting at the tail end of a bit of a traffic jam, got there in a hurry, look, I caught up, oh, there he goes again, oop, there he is again, waiting again. AHAHHAHAHA.

Just came back from Ottawa too. 95-100 all the way, got 16.5km per litre. mmm, love my Civic.

And you assume everyone speeds. Some of us don't.
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FiveO
A stopwatch.

It's used to time how long it takes for you to cross painted markings spaced exactly 1 km apart along the highway. At 120 km per hour, you'll travel from one marking to the next in exactly 30 seconds.
I saw the markings on the side of the QEW and I figured thats what they were for.
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Old 20-Oct-2008, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ashtonp24
There would be an inherent risk in slowing down when the flow of traffic was at that pace
I see this manouver all the time on the 400 serie hwys. People jamming on their brakes to exit the hwy from the left lanes.
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Old 21-Oct-2008, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cr8tive_leo

And you assume everyone speeds. Some of us don't.
No assumptions here.
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Old 21-Oct-2008, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by xray
I see this manouver all the time on the 400 serie hwys. People jamming on their brakes to exit the hwy from the left lanes.
yeah man, I hate that ****, it's dangerous
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