honda25

Went up to wakestock in wasega with some friends for the weekend. On saturday, I was driving on hwy 26 doing about 100km/h and the posted speed was 80km/h. A sign says max 50km/h begins now as the town was just up ahead, then there is a slight downhill slope with a sweeping right curve so as im getting out of the curve I see two cruisers, a cop with a radar gun and 3 cars pulled over on the side of the road. I hit my breaks, but too late, the cop waved me down. He said i was radared doing 94km/h in a 50km/h zone, he gave me a $330 ticket w/ 4 points. The 50km/h sign was about a 1km back and it was downhill, so thats why I was still goin pretty fast when I entered the 50 zone.

On the ticket I have 3 options:
1. guilty, pay fine and lose points
2. guilty but show up to court and plea for a lesser punishment
3. go to court and fight the ticket

I dont know what to do, I only have 15 days to decide and I gotta go back up to Barrie if I decide to go to court. I'm thinking option 2 right now. Should i try ex-copper or something, I really dont want to pay this much and my main concern is the points. I'm a young driver and I dont want my insurance to get fvcked.

Any suggestions or advice? Thanks

90ls

U deserve it dude.

Pleade guilty and pay it

hehe Go fight it .. hopefully u can get the points removed.

let this be a lesson and no dont use ex-copper.. show up yourself.

imported_kane2k

I'd show up and try to fight it or at least get it reduced. 44 over only reduces to 16-29 over so you're out 3 points instead of 4 and I'm positive your insurance won't think that's much of a difference. Your only hope is the cop not showing since you were in the country, on a downhill, on the weekend.

You got busted in the easiest speed trap to anticipate. If you are driving up north on a weekend and the speed limit drops on the road you are driving on, slow down. Every cop outside of Toronto is worried about people driving through their towns too fast and endangering the citizens that they are paid to protect. When you see the limit drop to 50 odds are that if any police are out looking for speeders on that stretch of road, they will be located right after the speed limit changes to indicate a town. This way they nail you right there and slow you down through their jurisdiction and everyone is safe. They also know that they will get people who were speeding in the 80 and really nail them for doing it in a 50.

I picked up one of these exact tickets a few years back on Canada Day weekend. I got caught doing 70 in a 50 but the cop knocked it down to 10 over, the only reduction that I've ever gotten from a cop, because at least he knew that I was slowing down a bit.

T-Shirt Ninja

So many people I know have gotten hit with tickets in those little towns where the speed changes to 50kph, really, wouldnt you think that cops would be there? Thats what those weekend blitzes are for.

Roacho2

i have a good paralegal if you want.

fight it. never ever admit guilty. the worst that can happen to you is that you will be considered guilty.

if you want to fight it yourself, you'll learn a bit about the system.

plead not guilty and wait to find out when your court date is. if it is more than 8 months, there is a form you can fill out stating that you were not given a trial in a reasonable time period and you will automatically get off.

also, if it is sooner, send a registered letter (registered so that they can't say they never got it) to the police station or prosecutor asking for the specific brand and model of the radar used to clock your case and all relevant information on the police officier using the radar and his training with that model.

contact the manufacterur for the radar and ask for a manual, and the recommended training.

a lot of officiers do not have proper training for the proper radar. just a technicallity, but whatever.

fight the power.

zones like that are all about getting money from people... that's why the 50 zone begins over a hill. you have to wonder why their phrase is 'to serve and protect'

imported_kIeRaN

okay man, go and schedule a court date, youll have probably a good few months to prepare. When u show up to court, tell the judge that u are a student or whatever and u really do not have much money at all, i did that during the weeke went i went to court. I got my ticket reduced from 170 to 60 bux and she also gave me 60- days to pay the ticket, trust me, the judge will understand. And dont go to x copper or that crap, its a waste of money, seriously man, its not hard to get it reduced when u go to court, just dress nicely, and be very nice to the judge, if u need more info, pm me

Roacho2

if you listen to kieran, make sure you don't select 'plead guilty with explanation'.... they can't drop the charges i don't think then.. just the fine...

always.. NOT GUILTY

it's one of the few government rights you have.

You can also try and keep delaying the court date as much as possible. If you get delayed for 3 years, it won't matter anymore, cause it won't go on your record.

That used to be pretty easy to do. 5-10 years ago. I dunno about now.

Gallagher

listen to this...

1) it goes from 80 to a 70
2) then from 70-50km/h sign ahead
3) HUGE 50km/h sign

If you were doing 94km/h man and u have been to wasaga b4, thats ****ed, always go the limit in wasaga if not lower.

It goes uphill alot b4 it goes downhill and the sign is at the bottom of the hill. There is no turn untill u hit the IGA/Petro Canada at the lights all the way to get to the main beach, thats far down. Man, 94km/h.

Thats just ridiculous....now I know why I get hasseled in Wasaga when I have lived up the for the past 3 years b4 and been going up for 13.

imported_kane2k

Nope, zones like that are marked out at the entrance to a community. The cops don't decide where to put the sign. The speed limit changes to 50 where the town begins. This is one case where the cops have the safety of the community in mind, they slow people down coming into the town.

Check my posts on cops, I think most places where you get speeding tickets are cash grabs but rural highways which go through towns are dangerous to the people in those towns if traffic blows through at 80, nevermind 94.

Slow down when you see the dropped limit. It's there because people might need to cross that road. Those people are the ones paying taxes to maintain that road through their town, so don't talk about them having to watch out for cars.

imported_gatherer

it's simple when you see a sign saying a slower limit begins that means that once you pass that sign (even a foot past it) you should be going no faster then the new speed... so slow down before you get to the sign....

play the ticket and get on with your life thats what I did

spoonbender

OK, first thing to do is set up a meeting with the crown! call the ph# on the back to do this. do not plead quilty with explanation, do not pay it and DO NOT go to points!!! when you go to your metting with the crown tell him that there was no way that you were going that fast. tell him that you can't afford to lose any points and that when you do speed, you only go 15 over b/c of this reason(points are only loss if going 16km above the speed limit). say that he caught you on the hill. slowing down from the 80 to 50 speed change. chances are he'll lower the ticket to $100 with no points!!!! believe me, i've done it about three times and everytime it has worked in my favour!

imported_kane2k

First off, the prosecutor will not reduce a 4 point speeding ticket (31-49 over) to a no point speeding ticket (15 and less). They will only reduce it to a 16-30 over ticket, which is still 3 points.

Secondly, that works in Toronto and other major areas because the court system is so backed up, it's in the prosecutor's best interests to just get a conviction and not clog up the courts further. I'm not sure that whatever jurisdiction this ticket happens to be in would have the same court congestion.

Third, the guy was going 14 over for the 80 zone so if he was in fact slowing down he was a) doing a ****ty job of it or b) speeding really bad in the 80 to have only made it down to 94.

A meeting with the prosecutor would, at best, get you a 3 point ticket, but the situation does not merit it so I don't think there would be any reduction in this case.

honda25

how come everyone feels strongly against xcopper, points and traffic ticket experts.

ive decided im gonna plea not guilty, but i dont know what im gonna say, thats y i kinda wanna get like xcopper to help me out. also im a student so im moving back to school soon, and i wont be able to easily go out to barrie during the school year during the week.

heres my options:

spoonbender

he has nothing to lose! plus, he is not meeting with the prosecutor, he is meeting with the crown. i personally had a ticket for 147km in a 90km zone, which was 4pts and $366. i meet with the crown, and for some reason the officer didn't submit his paper work. therefore the crown had nothing to go against and i walked without lossing any points and paying no money. if i had gone to points or x-copper, they would have charged me almost what the ticket was worth and maybe got me from 4 points to 3 points. it would have went to court and the officer would have showed up with all his paperwork. on top of points fees, i would still have to pay the reduced fine(if they actually would have reduced it). points/x-copper never lose b/c they submit bull**** advice and end up not doing you any favours but they do get it reduced 1 point, woo whoo!!!

if you choose to talk to the crown, he will tell you if you are straight up crazy and suggest that if you don't like what he can do, then plead not guilty in court. he may suggest that the fine be reduced by half and you plead guilty with an explaination. if you decide to not talk to the crown and go this route they will not reduce the fine!!! anywho, goodluck on what you choose but if i were you i'd call the court house in barrie and ask to set up a meeting with the crown!

imported_kane2k

Just for the record...

Crown = Prosecutor.

147 km/h in a 90 = 57 over.

57 over is not a speeding ticket, it's a summons.

imported_BlazeInEk

If you don't mind the hassle of fighting it then fight it, if not then pay it. Points to keep in mind:
1) You were going downhill, you have standard and were downshifting to slow down.
2) You were in the curve, car's speedometer read different than what the cop said because the speedometer's accuracy was compromised because of the curve.
Sounds stupid but it may work. I have heard of these before. I went to Points to fight a speeding ticket and these are things he asked me. You don't want to do points unless it was an excessive ticket.
Eg. 160kph in 80kph -> $1000 fine, 6pts and 30 day suspension.
Points...$450, $500 fine, 0 points, 30 day suspension...insurance company knows nothing. In that case (uuummm it was a friend of mine, ya, that's it not me..... ) it would be worth it. BTW...they had the laser pointed down into the friggen Thorold tunnel!

honda25

Thanks for all your help guys, I'm gonna try and fight it.

BTW, what is all this stuff about the crown, who are they and what do they deal with?

imported_kane2k

The crown is the prosecutor. All criminal matters in this country are R. vs. Smith, where your name is Smith. That R stands for either Rex or Regina. Right now it's Regina because "our Queen" is a woman. Her authority then filters down through the ranks from Governor General, through various ministries, etc. until you get right down to the lawyer who couldn't get a private job and is standing in front of a Judge making you out to be a maniac baby killing driver, more or less. The prosecutor is representing the Queen of England because she doesn't have the time to make it for speeding tickets less than 100 over. Hence you call the prosecutor the crown, because that's the authority you are technically dealing with, and just one more reason why the law profession is stupider than it should be.

honda25

thanks for all the info! so how do i contact the crown/prosecutor?