dude_1999_ca

So i was on weston road in between finch and sheppard and i got nabbed by a cop doing radar or laser not sure the difference. He caught me doing ** in a 50 "community safety zone" The cop caught me on a slight up hill and he didnt have his radar gun secured to anything he just held it(if it makes a difference). This is my first speeding ticket and i cant afford my insurance to go up. Any advice, legal action, websites, would be greatly apprreciated.

Cynikal.Mindset

you got caught speeding and in a community safety zone (where fines are increased) so what are u gonna do about it...he got u on laser radar (accurate) so what else is there to the story? u didnt see him cuz he chose a good location (on a crest of a hill) and he sniped you fair and square...u can goto court and "try" to fight it and I emphasize try...bottom line is u got got, now pay up sucka!

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Looks like your gonna have to pay man, Courts are really strict same with cops with "community saftey zones"

imported_ERTW

yeah, you did a bad thing, and now you will pay.. and thank god, because if you dont get taught a lesson now, it might be my community and my kids that might be endangered by your careless driving in the future

motti

Advice? Don't speed, but I doubt you would consider following that advice.

From Toronto Street Racing at http://www.torontostreetracing.com/f...ghlight=#38876 , you also ask for help on this same ticket using user name "nacc".

Also on Toronto Street racing at
http://www.torontostreetracing.com/f...ghlight=#31753 is another of your questions...

So, given that you are prone to exceeding the speed limit and to serious extreme, I agree with ERTW. You did a bad thing, probably quite deliberately and certainly more that just this once, and now you should pay and hopefully learn before you and your speeding and your mechanically unsound car kill someone.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Ohhhhhhh BURN!!!..LOL i haven't used that word for soo long.....LOL

But Motti Busted out the facts on u......damn....

why do u speed so much man?

dude_1999_ca

How can u guys post assumptions like that about me??? You have no clue who i am or how I drive. I asked u guys for some help with a ticket and u guys didnt have to trash me or my post for that. If u dont want to help shut your mouth and dont make assumptions

Cynikal.Mindset

there is no help for somebody caught speeding on laser radar...you never once said that you werent speeding so wtf do u want "bro"?

if u need help with directions to the local court house so u can pay the ticket I'm sure somebody would be more than willing to help you in that respect

thank you, come again!

imported_gatherer

as far as I know there is no defense ... although if you want you can look up the rules in the HTA and see if you can get away with it... most likely not

imported_kane2k

Yeah you got the standard response to asking for help on a ticket in the tickets section. It's amazing that everyone who has already posted on this one takes the time to say the exact same thing in every post regarding speeding tickets. You'd think they would give it a rest but selfrighteousness is a strong drug.

Cynikal if he was indeed busted by laser radar then the fact that the cop was holding the gun in his hand and not on a tripod means that the laser reading would be useless because of the nature of the readings taken by the gun. To the best of my knowledge they are too sensitive to be used with anything but a stable tripod.

The fact that it was handheld suggest that it was in fact a normal radar gun, which will have a given range and field of detection. If the range is 1 km and the field of detection is 20 degrees ( 10 on each side ) then the ** that the cop had on his gun is a reading of the speed of the fastest object in a triangle that is 1 km long and 340 m wide. the actual geometry might be different but this gives you an idea of what the cop actually knows about the reading on his gun.

Now it comes down to the traffic conditions. If you were the only person on the road then that speed was yours. If you were in heavy traffic then the cop is guessing.

If you want the easy way out, which may or may not work for you, you can go for a first attendance with a prosecutor and get it knocked down to 15 over with no points. I'll save the regulars the trouble of typing it out for the 10,000th time and tell you that the general consensus is that the insurance companies don't care about whether or not you get points so this may or may not be of value.

To get off fully you will have to go to court. If the cop doesn't show, then you get off immediately. If you see the cop in the courtroom when you get there you might want to opt for the 15 over that the prosecutor will probably give you if you ask them before the trial session starts. Assuming you fight it you can get the cop on the stand and start asking him questions about range, field of vision, etc of the radar gun and see if he fumbles any technical stuff. Don't bother trying to explain yourself, you're probably better off not giving evidence, just stick to questioning the cop. The scenario that I described above regarding what the radar gun actually picked up might work but you have to be sneaky and make the cop think you're going somewhere else.

Here's an example for bringing up the huge triangle if you're going to use it get the cop to establish that there was other traffic on the street

"I was pretty far away from you, are you sure the gun works from that far, what is the range" - cop will answer with a fairly big number

"Are you sure you were pointing it the right way, how many degrees can you be off?" - cop will answer with an exaggerated field of vision

Then you do the math and present the enormous bit of real estate that the gun was surveying and hope for the best. With the community safety zone, you're already in the judges bad books. If you happen to be a young male you're even more screwed. Regardless though, there is always a chance. I'm 3/3 in fighting speeding tickets. My first, the cop didn't show. My second i made the cop look like an idiot who didn't know how to use a radar gun with something similar to what I described above. My third, the Justice of the Peace didn't show up for a first attendance.

imported_Promoking

CyniKal.Mindset:

if u need help with directions to the local court house so u can pay the ticket I'm sure somebody would be more than willing to help you in that respect thank you, come again!"


HAHA OWNED!

imported_spl_civic

kane2k is the only person who posted here that actually replied to the post...
why "reply" to a post if you're gonna say the exact same thing you always say when someone asks for "your" help on a ticket...i know it's fun to add posts to your posts count, but you obviously don't care to help, and it makes you look sad when you try to act like you're perfect...
anyways...
if you book a first attendance (meeting with justice of peace) they will automatically offer you a deal of 15 over, instead of a 29 over...so instead of a 3point speeding ticket, you get a 0point speeding ticket that costs approx $50-60 (if you don't like the justice of peace's offer then you can tell them you want to go to trial)
but, you can probably get this deal in court aswell, it all depends on if you want go through the trial or not...so in the end there is still hope, just don't make speeding a habit, try to learn from your mistakes

let me know if you need any help

imported_spl_civic

i guess i should have read all of kane2k's post...i think i posted what he said

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

spl_civic


AHHHHH HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA now that's funny

Cynikal.Mindset

so kane2k...you are 1/1 when fighting speeding tickets not 3/3 as there was no "fight"...its like sayin you beat up 25 guys but none of them showed up

Anyways...why help people that are guilty? I'm not a defense lawyer...I'll let other people do that. I believe people should learn and pay for their mistakes

since he was caught coming over a crest of a hill that would limit the amount of traffic (perhaps 1 other car) and the first nose over the crest is obviously the one that was goin faster than the other...not to mention lack of any description of the even from the "accused" which leads me to believe that infact he was speeding, he knows he is guilty and deserves to pay for it as I previously stated. If he gave a detailed account of what happened like "I was in dense traffic on the 401, going with the flow of traffic and a cop radar'd me and I got a ticket" then there would be some room to play with but as I didnt see any of this I goto the baseline and tell it how it is.

Also I know that area anyways and I people are always gettin nailed around there for speeding and the police usually do pick very nice areas to nab people as they come around the bend or to the top of the hill.

So, do what Mr.Kane2k said and try ur luck at "Casino Traffic Court" you may be a winner

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Well said CyniKal, By the way i'm curious Kane2K what do u do for a living? or what are u studying?

Are u just a regular guy giving advice? Key word like u said urself is community saftey zone, we are just sparing him the trouble of taking the day off work or w/e......and wasting pay. In a case like this just pay the ticket is the simple solution....he'z not gonna get far and it seems like this isn't his first offence.

A Smart Lawyer or Paralegal wouldn't even touch this or a moral one at least, if u know the client is guilty u don't take the client on, unless ur in it for the money. . .

In Closing Kane2K u shouldn't throw insults or smart comments around if u don't know the educational background of others on the board.

imported_kane2k

I'm a consulting engineer Illest Civ. I know a bit about everything so I share my experiences and try and help people who end up in situations that I've found myself in. I've picked up speeding tickets and I've beaten them. I've paid a couple too for different reasons. This guy posted with his first speeding ticket, yes he said that right in the post, and asked how to fight it. I was the only one who actually replied with what he was looking for. He also stated that he was going up a slight uphill, and made no mention of cresting a hill.

As far as finding someone to defend him, its a speeding ticket, not murder. Anyone in the business of defending people would take this in a heartbeat since they could charge you hundreds of dollars to accomplish something that could be done with a first attendance. Every time someone commits a crime there is a lawyer who will defend them.

Cynikal, my 3/3 was in direct response to you saying that he should just pay the ticket. If I'd just paid those tickets my insurance would be ridiculous right now. The legal system is called a system for a reason, you can learn the system and things become easier. You obviously have a lot of respect for the law from reading many of your posts. That's fine and your life will probably be better off for it. Some people speed, like I do, and they realize what it is they are doing. The poster got a speeding ticket and I told him how to handle it because I know how to handle it, and paying is not the way you do it.

As far as "why should I help people?" the quick answer is you shouldn't if you don't feel like it. Here's another question, what value have any of your posts in this thread had to the guy who asked the question? You spent the time writing in this thread, so rather than just making yourself happy with your selfrighteousness, you could have spent the same amount of time making yourself and the poster happy by helping, but like I said, that's your choice, just like speeding is mine.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Kane2K......good job my man, u explained urself well, thanks for not getting mad....most ppl on the board would just blow up after 2 ppl question them. . . . props to not getting mad i respect that.

and the ppl who would take on something like this in a heartbeat, are just in it for the money.....moral ethical, proper Lawyers or Paralegals don't take these little things on. . . .
and all i'm saying is if he already has a record of speeding and such, it'z gonna be hard for him....really hard. . .

imported_kane2k

He said it was his first ticket but I don't think that this is really a benefit. Nor do I think that having speeding tickets on your record is necessarily a strike against you in court since it would have to be brought into evidence to be considered, technically, and I've never heard it brought up in court although I've attended quite a few ticket trials. I think your record is generally only looked at by the cop and the prosecutor who will decide how seriously they want to treat you, i.e. if you have 18 speeding tickets I don't think the prosecutor would let you off with 15 over nor would the cop let you off with a warning.

It certainly could be important at the side of the road since the cop will check your record at the stop but I've never gotten a break even when my record was pristine so it's only a small factor.

NavidOG

get a serious lawyer to drop it for you.... ive had 29 over, no seat-belt, 15 over, etc.. ALL DROPPED. My advice to you is NOT to go to X-coppers, or any of those RAT lawyers. Ive been in the court house and they dont even try to drop it ... they just negotiate with the prosecutor to lower it .. WTF is that?

remember that a conviction is a conviction... whether its 01 over or 25 over the insurance companies only look at the convictions.

if u want more info about my lawyer pm me and we will talk