bbarbulo

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yeah, but the cops are soliciting the calls... thereby laying more charges while leaving more leisure time for themselves to eat pizza and donuts.

now, I have no further advice to give you, but I can say this.

I've been in the JSK mobile, and the JSK mobile with JSK behind the wheel does not drive carelessly. This car is his baby, I'm sure he'd have nothing to do with putting the car in danger. This is a mentality that runs through a few of us who've bonded with our cars through working on them; myself included. My dad often criticizes me for not driving the car like a car is supposed to be driven, but rather driving as if I was transporting crystal or glass over a road made of eggshells.

to the accuser

Insuranceman

Yeah, the cops are calling, but what are they suppose to do when a formal complaint is laid? Ignore it? Thats professional ....

bbarbulo

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no, I'm saying the police is encouraging ppl to call and complain, so ppl with nothing better to do actually call.

you know, I called the cops once on this idiot, but he was going over 100 in a school zone. I wasn't gonna stand for that. but knowing JSK, there is no way this is a legit complaint. there is no roadwatch in my hood, ppl like me who have actual concerns will still call in. roadwatch, while it's a good idea, has some very negative and unacceptable consequences.

imported_JookSingKid

Insuranceman,

I know how much you love to debate with everyone, and how you always want to throw in your 2 bits

I don't see eye to eye with you on the insurance debates and I try not to respond to your "informative threads" because you care not for other people's opinions

I have stated previously that I do not want this thread turning into a debate, so can you kindly desist from crapping my thread?



So unless you have something informative to say STFU

back to the subject at hand.

has this happened to anyone before?

bbarbulo

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oh my god... like that would be the first time cops ignored a complaint.

i got a written death thread once, you know what they said? no laws were broken, go home. maybe that's part of where my attitude towards the police comes from.

bbarbulo

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like I said, I got a letter about it once, saying they had complaints about my driving on 3 different occasions. nothing came of it. and once I got pinched pretty bad when the witness was a off-duty cop. I was 17 at the time.

Insuranceman

Relax JookSingKid

I'm just saying, someone obviously complained and the cops have to do their job ... My advice is research how far the police or the person who made the complaint can take this, which is not far since they have zero evidence against you , other than they "saw" you doing something ... If you like, my best friend works for the OPP, so I can ask him ... But whatever

imported_JookSingKid

Insuranceman, that would be super cool what you could find out.

I asked my cousin who works for Metro but he's still relatively new so he hasn't been able to find out much,

I'm so miffed by this whole situation because I don't feel like I've even had a chance to confront my accuser.

motti

You get to face your accuser in court. Not before. That's the way the system is supposed to work.

As for the Insuranceman's comment about police having zero evidence against you, well, that's not quite true. They do have evidence. They have it in the form of at least one eyewitness, maybe more, who lodged the complaint against you.

All it takes is one credible witness, cop or not, to secure a conviction. It comes down to who the judge believes more - you or them.

FrankenCiv

On May 11th i walked out of court with no charges after fighting a careless driving ticket. I was pulled over and ticketed by a police officer. There were other circumstances in my case but, they usually need to prove three things that you were doing wrong to make a careless driving charge stick. In my case i was accused of speeding, failure to stay inside a designated lane and following too close. After speaking with the investigating officer, the prosecutor dropped the charges. We were prepared to take the stand and go full blown trial on this matter, but luckily we had a good prosecutor. The officer had no radar report that i was speeding, there are no lines on the road i was on and he pulled out in front of me behind the other car so i was obviously not that close.

My suggestion to you is take it to court and ask them to "Prove" beyond a reasonable doubt that you were infact driving carelessly. Stick to your guns and refuse any easy ways out like lesser charges. Youll do fine unless the prosecution has alot of evidance against you. Usually they are not out to screw you. Its the prosecutors job to bring the truth to light, not get you put away.

Good Luck
Sean

imported_JookSingKid

Wow man, thanks for the info Sean, I appreciate it.

Insuranceman

Asked my buddy, he had limited info since he's OPP and not a city cop, but he did say to challange it (obviously) as it could be someone who just either doesn't like you or your car and they do need a valid reason to issue you the Careless.... If you can prove on the date you where elsewhere, make sure you bring that up ... also, IF you have a clean record make sure you bring that up, going as far as bringing it to court as this shows that in the past you where never a carless driver so this claim is not valid ... They need to prove you where careless, you don't have to prove you were not ... Unless they can prove it, which by the sounds of it, from what your saying, they can't...

bbarbulo

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BTW, it's not beyond a reasonable doubt, this is not a criminal case. the burden of proof here is much lower which works against you. The best thing to do is talk to the prosecutor. Mine told me to get a lawyer, else he'd have my license (he said the cop put that in the report, to get my license suspended). The sat there and watched a few cases, the lawyer I liked the most, I asked him to represent me when he walked out of the court. He charged me five bills I think.