seventhirty5

I got pulled over a few days ago. i seen the cop ahead of me. And im not that stupid to do anything stupid infront of them.. i was going 30 in a 40 and my foot wasent even on the gas pedal. And So they pulled me over, asked for my papers and drivers. They asked me how long i've been driving, and im like 4 years clean. So then went back to their cars, 10 minutes later one came up and asked me all kinds of questions, what im doing down here in jane and finch, my height, if i have tattoos, they took down all my info and my number etc:... but i dont mind. Then they started asking me about CWJ shooting. I said i heard of it, cause my gf goes to that school. And they asked me what do i know, im like.. a young boy got shot. And they kept going on, so, would you tell me if you know? Im like know what? and he winked at me.. and said... would you tell me only? im like sir, i dont know anything.. cept the young boy that got killed and my gf was in the school and it was in lockdown. He smiled and went back to his car, for the next 10 minutes, i seen him pulled out behind me, and drove away with my Drivers, ownership, and insurance... I was just sitting in my car, confused and lost. then they reverised back to my car and started smileing and said "Today is your lucky day" and told me to reach and grab my my infos and drivers. When i took it, they droved off recklessly and told me to go to court

What i got back was 2 tickets, a ticket for Plates not visable, and improper muffler. I also got back my drivers and ownership, but not my insurance.

I was pissed, So i went around and found a different cop parking in the plaza, and asked if he can help me. I asked him if my plates are ok? he took a look and said yeah its fine. He told me that covers for plate aint fine tho, which i dont have. I have no covers or anything on my plates and its clean, no dirt or anything. he asked me why and i showed him the ticket, he said thats not right.. but he cant help me, and told me to go to court and take pictures.

Do you guys think pictures would do justice in court? how would i get out of it?

And also

I've got a ticket for improper muffler . And to prevent that from happening agian, i was thinking about going back to a Stock Oem Ek muffler. But i've seen that muffler shops do carry: Magnaflow oval mufflers, flowmaster and ect:.... Do you guys think those muffler would be ok? if i replace it as a replacement muffler and get the bill from the shop? Or is it better just to get an oem muffler?

imported_kIeRaN

Go to court, tell them what happened. You will be fine, dont stress. Just dont take the easy way out and pay the ticket

LEITNER

always alway always go to court...there is always a good chance the cop will be a no show and then you get off the tickets and have no worries. i have even gone to court and the cop identified me wrong and i got off...so always go to court

imported_Zyepher

oh wow im shocked another piece of **** cop!

imported_realninth

Did you ask the other cop why they would not give back insurance papers?

I'd be worried some other cop is waiting down the street and viola... got no insurance.

seventhirty5

i was sitting in my car, they were in their car. They droved off with my papers and drivers, Reverised told me it was my lucky day smiled, told me to reach for my stuff. After i grabed it, they speeeded off smileing telling me to go to court. I never had the chance to ask them what was the ticket for...


So i went home, and got a spare insurance card and went to york region police station and told them what happen, and they told me that its wrong for the cops to do that and so on. But they cant do anything, and they told me to go down to the toronto station and file a report and complaint. So i went down there, and told them what happen. All they said was, "o, maybe the cop forgot about u, and it happens and they just drive off". So i told her, "so, they sit in their car, write me up two tickets, and just like that they forget about me and drive off about 1 car lenght and back up, hannded me my stuff and say its your lucky day today, go to court, smiles, and speeded off?. she goes "i cant help u, you have to go to court" i asked if i can file a complaint, all she told me is go to court.

chrisk20

Its ridiculous how they can act and treat people with their bully tactics, then they wonder why young people have zero respect for them. They basically can give you a ticket for anything and flat out lie about it. They know you still have to go to court, since when can you take someones insurance slip away for having an improper muffler....gimme a break. What race are you?

Nova_Dust

I am sorry to hear your unfortunate event. There is always a bad apple in every bunch. Hope the case favours your side.

imported_username

Luckily insurance always sends you 2 copies of your insurance slip!
Go to court, heed this advice CAREFULLY!!! Ready?
If you want to be taken seriously, dress and act seriously. You don't need a suit and tie, but khaki's and a golf shirt will be good. Get your paperwork in order. For example: all your evidence (pictures or any signed affidavits you might have).
Go to court before your trial. Watch ALL the cases that day. Court officials and the crown already know what's going on and they go through it very very very fast. The first time I went to court I wasn't prepared, the judge asked me to state my name and I didn't catch what he said. I was VERY embarrased to find out what he actually said!!
Practice what you're going to say. Yeah I know, sounds cheesy. But you'll get up there and you'll stumble, and you'll look like a fool. Know the law surrounding your case, and if you can get it, find some case law to help your case.
Don't point out what the prosecution missed until your closing statement because during the rest of the hearing they can always mention it.

Good luck!

seventhirty5

I never went to court before, im not sure whats going to happen. How does it work? They gonna call me up, i state my name.. what happens next? what should i do for the Plates not visable, and improper muffler? I have takeing pictures and can provide proof of plates visable, and im changing my muffler back to OEM muffler.

My car came with the muffler from the used car dealership, can i use that as backup as for its cert and passed safety?... but im also going to tell them i changed the problem, and to prevent it from happening agian...

im not too sure how this court thigy works, if you can help run down the steps or how it works what to do/say and not to say.

thanks for your help guys..

imported_username

You will go in before court starts and the prosecution will make sure you are present. The crown will then offer you a "lower" charge. So maybe drop one and you plead guilty to the other. This way you still pay money, and they get you out of there fast(which is what they want). You have the option of taking their offer, or if you've prepared a case you can say no and opt for a trial. If you go for the trial option, be prepared to wait until the end, after everyone else has gone. They do your trial last so no one watches, and so that no one else get's the idea that it's easy enough to do on your own.

If you take it then you go sit down and wait for them to call your name. When they do you get up there, they tell you to state it for the record. The crown will read the charges as they were originally, then tell the judge that you've both agreed that the lesser charges will suffice and that you've decided to plead guilty to them. The judge will ask you if this is correct and you will agree. At this time the judge will read the NEW charges you are being charged with (what you were offered by the crown) and ask you how you plead. You say guilty, they will enter the plea, tell you how much money it is. They will ask you if you have anything to say, at this time you can request an extension of payment if you need it (60-120 days, with a valid reason. IE lack of a job, or unexpected debt). The court clerk will write up some papers and you take them and leave.

If you decide on a trial then after you stand up to state your name they will ask how you plead, you say not guilty and the trial will begin. You wait while the crown questions the witness(s) (cop(S)), then you get a chance. If they have left out some information, DO NOT GIVE IT TO THEM. Don't ask questions that you don't know the answer to. IF you do, you'll get surprised by the answer and look like a fool. If you have evidence then you can get a chance to enter it for review and explanation. If you can get a letter certified by the owner of the dealership that the muffler is stock and that all cars are equipped with this equipment, that would be great. Take pictures of your license plates and show that they aren't covered.

If you knew the badge number of the officer you spoke to after the stop then you might have been able to ask him for a statement as well (written). If you're innocent then hopefully you'll be able to prove it, because you aren't really innocent until you can prove it.

It's your word against theirs, and they are bonded peace officers who are trusted by the courts to act properly at all times.

If you have a witness that was with you at the time that's good too, but make sure they know the whole story and know what to say to the crown's questions.

People might tell you that the cop won't show up. This isn't always the case. There is a possibility, but that's all it is, a possibility. There's a 50% chance either way. DO NOT GO INTO COURT ASSUMING THE COP WON'T SHOW!!! His cases are all scheduled into one day so he can be there for all of them at once!!

Good luck dude!

ps
Using the excuse that it passed safety and emissions won't work. You could have put them on afterwards, and most times aftermarket parts say on the box that they are only for offroad use only and should not be used while the car is on a public road.

imported_username

Listen, I'm not about to defend what they did, but who cares what race he is. It's irrelevant.
"Young people' have zero respect for them because of people like you. If you respect others you'll get respect back. I bet you got pulled over for some bs tickets before right? Too low, too loud? Doing a burnout in a public place? Yeah, grow up! I'm not saying all tuners break the law, but most ricers do. Your car doesn't need to touch the ground to be aerodynamic. Your muffler doesn't have to wake deaf people to be high flow. I could go on but won't. Quit being a dick and start respecting the law, and the law enforcement and you'll get it back, I promise.

If they had all his papers in their car and got a call to a domestic disturbance or a crime in progress, you're G@D damned right they'd forget all about his papers and license! What if you got home and those same cops that pulled you over were there stopping some @$$hole from killing your parents while they slept? Would you feel like an IDIOT that you were upset they kept your insurance paper? You'd be kissing their feet and praising their names through the streets.

Realize that some calls take priority over others, and yes it was his lucky day that they didn't check every little thing on the car and call the EPA to check it is emissions friendly.
Do you know a crankcase breather filter is an illegal mod and they can tow your car? Yes, that $4.00 filter... TOWED. removed from service. Cops can be jerks too. You ever have a bad day and take it out on a customer? I do. It's not the customer's fault, but it happens. We are the customers in the cop's store.

On the other hand, yes some profile, some are criminals, and some do a half-a$$ job of enforcing the law. That's why they have the internal affairs board.

Do yourself a favour and grow up, act like a grown up, get rid of your "ricey" car and take the bus.
Driving is a PRIVLEDGE, NOT a right!

imported_username

That's like saying "I'm shocked, another black kid shot at Jane and Finch".

chrisk20

People like me? HA. if everyone were like me we would barely need a police force and we would all be paying 50 dollars a year insurance. Dont assume anything about me. I have never had problems with any police officers, 7 years driving, no tickets, no accidents and never been pulled over. Granted theres bad apples in every bunch but it seems to happen far more with enthusiasts who are simply driving their car and not doing anything wrong, its got to the point where im scared to put my car back on the road. The whole mentality that the import driver is a street racer is complete bs. its my experience that people who tastefully modify their car are better than average drivers, we are not streetracing , drug dealing lunatics like law enforcement, insurance companies, the media and the government think. Im all for taking the ricers and people with falling apart cars off the road, just leave people who are going about their business alone. A friend at work with a stock integra and steelies got pulled over a few weeks ago by the ministry of environment and 4 police cruisers. This is where our hard earned tax dollars are going to? Do you know how many people in the GTA everynight get behind the wheel drunk? They should be out busting them. I respect the law and realize they have to deal with punks all the time. The whole bad day argument isnt an excuse, we all have bad days at work, doesnt mean someone has the right to give out false tickets and harass people. If you dont like your job find another career, its as simple as that.

seventhirty5

thanks alot "username" for the info on the court thingy.

But honestly not every cop is the same. I got pulled over lots of times, but those are just for safety checks. And those cops are very nice.

But those two cops that pulled me over the other day, they just had nothing better to do. They were being jerks, honestly. They kept smiling at me, never told me or gaved me reasons to my ticket. Never told me anything about my plates, but just wrote one up for fun. My plates are clean front and back, no tint covers or anything that covers the plate.

For the hell of it, i went to a parked cop, and asked them if anything was wrong with my car /plates. he said its fine...

Heres a picture of the car
http://photos-298.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v78/64/27/510498405/n510498405_48298_5646.jpg

I dont even got rims on no more, im running with steelies, stock front and real with lips. Trust me, those cops were being dicks. Not all cops are the same, but if i go to court, my word vs the cops is nothing.

Im just gonna change the muffler back to oem, take pictures of my front/rear plates and just hope for the best...

oh, and my muffler aint those highpitch tin cans. its a low tone alitte louder then stock muffler type replacement.

those cops were not acting professional, but yet joking around smileing type jerk cops. They were 1 old cop, and a teen cop. the teen cop was ****ing around with me. the old cop driver, was just sitting in the cruiser.

chrisk20

Dont change your muffler, there is nothing in the highway traffic act that states an non-oem muffler is illegal.


All cars, trucks and motorcycles need to be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke. Use of a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, Hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device is prohibited.
HTA 75(1) – No muffler - Motor Vehicle / Improper muffler - Motor Vehicle – $85.00/$110.00
HTA 74(4) – Unreasonable smoke / Unnecessary Noise - $85.00/$110.00

My advice to you is to take it to a shop where they can measure how loud your exhaust is. An exhaust in the 80db range should be fine, there are factory cars sold at dealerships that have WOT ratings in the low 80s. Unfortunely unlike say California which has an actual DB limit, our law is lax, possibly in order to make money from noise tickets. However if your exhaust is infact around 80, I would search the internet, find oem exhaust DB measurements from manufacturers or magazines, print them out, that might help your case, im not sure as I have no experience with this kind of thing. Im not even sure that would be admissable as evidence