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Old 28-May-2010, 05:12 PM
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why isnt my car low?

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i just bought omni power coilovers for my car did exactly as everyone told me to and preloaded them after i installed them i noticed my car didnt really drop that much (looked the same if not HIGHER as when i had tokico blues on neuspeed 1.75 front 1.5 rear)

for the coilover i spun the bottom until i couldnt spin no more but noticed there was LOTS of tread left and for the rears i did about 1/2 inch less i wanted to originally see my car SLAMMED and adjust it from there but my car doesnt sit that low? i have 14's on them atm and i can stick 2 fingers in the back with some room and about 1.5 fingers (girlfriends with tiny hands ftw) upfront

should i un-preload them and drop it using the gap between my springs and the perch (i heard it was horrible)

i want it dropped 2.1 inches upfront and about 1.8-2.0 in the back

is it possible that it doesnt look slammed because i didnt put on my summer tires yet (my poor winters :'(
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Old 29-May-2010, 12:08 AM
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I wouldn't worry about pre-loading. Just set the ride height where you want it, with reason. (don't want it so low the wheels rubbing like mad or the suspension bottoming out over bumps)

Just spin the lower spring perch on the threads until the car is as low as you want it.

If there was still lots of thread left on the collar, how come you couldn't spin it any lower?

If you are concerned about the gap between the spring and perch when you raise the car, you can always use helper springs...?
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Old 29-May-2010, 02:51 AM
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2 fingers in the back and 1 1/2 in the front would be a stock height. I remember my car was like that when it was stock.
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Old 29-May-2010, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MPR
I wouldn't worry about pre-loading. Just set the ride height where you want it, with reason. (don't want it so low the wheels rubbing like mad or the suspension bottoming out over bumps)

Just spin the lower spring perch on the threads until the car is as low as you want it.

If there was still lots of thread left on the collar, how come you couldn't spin it any lower?

If you are concerned about the gap between the spring and perch when you raise the car, you can always use helper springs...?
For raising the car I'd just turn my collar in the opposite direction so I don't think I'd need helper springs ( unless your talking about something else?) but no the collar wouldn't go up anymore because it was posing resistance and I didn't wanna break my coilover so I didn't use much force

I was told to not have more than a cm of a gap cuz the springs will bounce and scratch and it'll get rusted out but I'll try it out

ATM my car looks fine I'm not too concerned about lowering my car too much cuz I don't have a camber kit next time my suspension comes off it'll be winter lol
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Old 29-May-2010, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bengali548
For raising the car I'd just turn my collar in the opposite direction so I don't think I'd need helper springs ( unless your talking about something else?) but no the collar wouldn't go up anymore because it was posing resistance and I didn't wanna break my coilover so I didn't use much force

I was told to not have more than a cm of a gap cuz the springs will bounce and scratch and it'll get rusted out but I'll try it out

ATM my car looks fine I'm not too concerned about lowering my car too much cuz I don't have a camber kit next time my suspension comes off it'll be winter lol
Sorry, I wasn't clear. When I said "when your raise the car" I meant put it up on a hoist or jack it up.

You should be able to turn the collars down lower, unless there is something physically stopping it. It may be just dirt or something on the threads that can be easily overcome with a little bit of force.

Helper springs are short springs that can be bought in various lenths and diameters to match your car's springs and what they do is take up that gap so that when you put the car up on a hoist or hit a bump, the springs won't jiggle around loose and bind or scratch/gouge the strut/collar.

Google helper springs to see what they are. I think they will help you in your situation.
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Old 29-May-2010, 06:30 PM
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i thought that id be able to turn the collar more but both collars (fronts) stopped at the exact same location my assumption would be that this is a means of omni power to tell you how low you car has gone and(so if you get to an inch drop it poses resistance than after that youd be getting into 2 inches etc)
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. When I said "when your raise the car" I meant put it up on a hoist or jack it up.

You should be able to turn the collars down lower, unless there is something physically stopping it. It may be just dirt or something on the threads that can be easily overcome with a little bit of force.

Helper springs are short springs that can be bought in various lenths and diameters to match your car's springs and what they do is take up that gap so that when you put the car up on a hoist or hit a bump, the springs won't jiggle around loose and bind or scratch/gouge the strut/collar.

Google helper springs to see what they are. I think they will help you in your situation.
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Old 31-May-2010, 10:34 AM
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I wish I could see your car in person to see what you mean and see what can be done to help you out... Where abouts are you located?

Just a word of caution: On our MR2 race car, when we jack up the front or rear to change tires, the springs being shorter then the full travel would stay (zip-tied) to the upper spring perch and leave a gap of about 3" at the bottom. We've already had it catch the threaded sleeve and mess up the threads a bit at one end when we lowered the car once... We then proceeded to install some helper springs to take up the gap just yesterday. The problem we ran into was the distance added even with the helper full compressed was about 1.5" taller ride height in the front. And our ride height collar was already set as low as it would go (basically at the bottom of the threads...). Solution: We removed the helper springs and installed some limiter spraps that limit the lower travel at the length of the spring... (home made from aircraft grade cables...lol).

The whole point of telling you this: the helper springs may add to the ride heigh which you're trying to lower...lol. All depends on how low you can adjust the collar on the sleeves...
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excuse the dirt and the fact i still got my winters :P
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Dude....to me, that is perfect. I seriously wouldn't go any lower. Any lower and you're compromising the geometry of the suspension and will only hurt performance.

Looks low enough to me. lol


And change those tires...you'll chew up the snow pretty fast on dry pavement...
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Old 31-May-2010, 05:18 PM
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heh but he wants it slammmmmmed :P

bigger rims won't neccessarily bring it any closer to the ground, assuming you're running properly sized rubber for the size of rims you have.

I agree with MPR though, that's a nice height that'll save you from scraping over speedbumps.... any lower and you're in showcar territory and you'll end up in the dirty world of replacing rubber all the time, changing camber, rolling fenders, and messing with rim offsets just to keep the tires from rubbing.
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Originally Posted by MPR
Dude....to me, that is perfect. I seriously wouldn't go any lower. Any lower and you're compromising the geometry of the suspension and will only hurt performance.

Looks low enough to me. lol


And change those tires...you'll chew up the snow pretty fast on dry pavement...
I know *sniff* *sniff* my winters are losing soo much meat from my abuse but next cheque the 205 40 17s come on think I'll be getting camber?

I don't mind how low it is it still looks sexy I just wantedtoo see how low I canto before running into problems according to my friend when he had these on he was dropped 3-4 inches on his delsol and it wouldn't run THAT much according to him but w.e. Looks jdm enough for me
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But it is NOT more JDM the lower you go... it's the stance If anyone was at the last west end meet, they have seen how my tires are flush with my fenders.
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