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chris_v2 20-Oct-2009 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by 3rdgen3 (Post 1429974)
+1

Moog and TRW are pretty good when it comes to OEM replacement, 1st line suspension parts.


Agreed. I've never had a problem with their suspension parts.

pawelek000 20-Oct-2009 09:16 AM

I guess its personnal preference then! I dont pay the mark up price's I get everything for cost so that might be another reason i prefer OEM ;)

jamie1985 21-Oct-2009 12:10 PM

while you're under there changing the BJ's make sure your brake dust shield isn't contacting anywhere because that can make a hell of a noise too.

chris_v2 21-Oct-2009 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by jamie1985 (Post 1430241)
while you're under there changing the BJ's make sure your brake dust shield isn't contacting anywhere because that can make a hell of a noise too.

Backing plates don't squeek.

Darrylmcl 22-Oct-2009 02:05 AM

Thanks guys, Ive got the parts and will have to install them this weekend once i get time, for now the squeaking has gone done a bit so I hope it lasts till then. Thanks again.

btw... anybody experienced seized ball joints on a Honda, if so... any easy fix? I like to know these things prior to running into the problem "blind folded"

chris_v2 22-Oct-2009 07:23 AM

If theyre are seized you just have to heat them up a tad.

Darrylmcl 22-Oct-2009 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by chris_v2 (Post 1430349)
If theyre are seized you just have to heat them up a tad.

Thanks, I assumed as much, just wondering if there were any easy tricks anyone knew of... had to heat up my spring bolts connecting the down and midpipes... that was another bothersome task, but got it done.

PS... Ive seen some videos where guys have used C clamps to put the new BJs in and other where they'll place a block of wood atop it and gently hammer... which route will I be going, either way Im prepared, just don't want to ruin the new ones?

3rdgen3 23-Oct-2009 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by Darrylmcl (Post 1430365)
Thanks, I assumed as much, just wondering if there were any easy tricks anyone knew of... had to heat up my spring bolts connecting the down and midpipes... that was another bothersome task, but got it done.

PS... Ive seen some videos where guys have used C clamps to put the new BJs in and other where they'll place a block of wood atop it and gently hammer... which route will I be going, either way Im prepared, just don't want to ruin the new ones?


A c-clamp and a HUGE deep-socket (big enough to fit the ball-joint in) would probably be the best bet as its not as destructive as smashing the joint with a hammer...even with a piece of wood.

Darrylmcl 23-Oct-2009 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by 3rdgen3 (Post 1430480)
A c-clamp and a HUGE deep-socket (big enough to fit the ball-joint in) would probably be the best bet as its not as destructive as smashing the joint with a hammer...even with a piece of wood.

Well Ive got a C-Clamp... but I dont understand the part about the deep socket... Ive got some drill bits that Ive made large holes with (ie door handles) that Im sure the Balljoint will fit inside... but, I dont understand what that'd do to benifit me.

Please elaborate? Thanks.

ol Dusty 24-Oct-2009 11:51 AM

when you compress the c clamp to push the BJ through. one half of the clamp is pushing down on the BJ. where is the other half gonna go? the other side of the BJ? no. you need a large socket (key hole saw drill bits will not be strong enough) to go on the other side of the hole for the clamp to push on it forcing the bj down into the hole nice and square. when you go to do it, look at it with out the socket, where would you put the clamp to move the bj? you'll understand when your doing it.

Darrylmcl 24-Oct-2009 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by ol Dusty (Post 1430645)
when you compress the c clamp to push the BJ through. one half of the clamp is pushing down on the BJ. where is the other half gonna go? the other side of the BJ? no. you need a large socket (key hole saw drill bits will not be strong enough) to go on the other side of the hole for the clamp to push on it forcing the bj down into the hole nice and square. when you go to do it, look at it with out the socket, where would you put the clamp to move the bj? you'll understand when your doing it.

absolutely understand Im looking at it now, and its like... CRAP thats what he meant.

Quick question, hope someones around... from the looks of it Ive got to take the lower control arm apart as well just to get at this thing eh?

pawelek000 24-Oct-2009 03:37 PM

the easiest way to do this if you have no hoist is the remove the spindle so you have room to work on the joint. Use a 32mm socket that you would be using on the axle anyway to hammer in the ball joint. When removing ball joints some aftermarket ball joints have c-clips which you need to remove.

chris_v2 24-Oct-2009 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Darrylmcl (Post 1430679)
absolutely understand Im looking at it now, and its like... CRAP thats what he meant.

Quick question, hope someones around... from the looks of it Ive got to take the lower control arm apart as well just to get at this thing eh?

No,

Undo lower bj nut, seperate from LCA.
Undo axle nut, remove axle from hub.
Undo tie rod, seperate from steering arm
Flip the knuckle 180deg. and bash the balljoint upwards.
Use a c-clamp with large socket to 'press' the new one in.

pawelek000 24-Oct-2009 10:18 PM

If he's not using a hoist bashing upward will only work if the ball joints not seized in so bad. Your better off removing the upper ball joint nut as well and just pulling off the whole spindle I find it ALOT easier if your working on a car were everything's rusted to ****.

Good luck

iTaLiAn_vIrUs 29-Oct-2009 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by arc_55 (Post 1429676)
possibly seized ball joints or tie rods is my first guess. If any of the dust boots have been split open dirt and road splash can easily enter and cause this scenario.

I would jack the front end up and remove the wheel and have someone turn the steering wheel. You may have to unload the ball joint by jacking up the lower control arm ( simulating ride height ).

+1!!!!

Darrylmcl 29-Oct-2009 04:37 PM

allllllllllllllllllllright.... the car won this battle, took off the tire and saw the setup and simply bowed my head.

I'm an amateur at this stuff I will truly admit it, I can do this and that but this seemed a bit too much, remove this and that and this and that... not to mention the CV joint right above the thing, I was intimidated.

SO... How much??

Ball joints only?
Ball joint & Tie rods? (inner outer) [i can do outer dont know how to do inner though)
Ball joints, Tie rods & upper camber (BJ)?

Thanks!

chris_v2 29-Oct-2009 05:01 PM

How much for what? labour? or parts?

Darrylmcl 29-Oct-2009 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by chris_v2 (Post 1431487)
How much for what? labour? or parts?

Sorry.... Labour is what I meant, I've got all the necessary parts already.

[totally unrelated, I hate how Firefox tells me the Canadian spelling for 'labour' is incorrect - ya i know, random!]

chris_v2 29-Oct-2009 08:20 PM

Times are taken right off Mitchell OnDemand (most shops use these labour rates)

Lower balljoint 1.2h each
Upper balljoint 1.0
Outer tie rod 0.9
Inner tie rod an extra 0.3

These times do not include alignments.

If you want to bring your vehicle to my shop, I can give you a better price then most shops around the GTA. And as always, with me working on the vehicle, you know it'll be done properly.

3rdgen3 29-Oct-2009 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by Darrylmcl (Post 1431498)
Sorry.... Labour is what I meant, I've got all the necessary parts already.

[totally unrelated, I hate how Firefox tells me the Canadian spelling for 'labour' is incorrect - ya i know, random!]

In Firefox:
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-Click TOOLS -> OPTIONS
-Click CONTENT Tab
-Bottom will say 'Languages', click the 'Choose' button
-Select drop-down box and choose 'English - Canada[en]' and hit the add button.
-Move 'English - Canada[en]' to the top of the list
-Press OK to both windows
-Take care to Chris_V2/Zeeman and have work performed
-Drive car worry free and browse/type in firefox worry free
-Drink beer
-Watch the leafs lose
-Sleep


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