Mazda terminates Canadian dealer that swindled customer
17-May-2010, 04:31 PM
#22
If someone has a learning dissability, and is on medication, does thE medication make the person smart then ??
LoL
Btw I feel sorry for the owner of the dealership that has to deal with this nonsense.
Also, I hate the fact that OMVIC blames the dealership for this and revoked the dealer's lisence !! The dealer should have refunded the money and taken back the car to settle the issue. Both parties would have been happy.
LoL
Btw I feel sorry for the owner of the dealership that has to deal with this nonsense.
Also, I hate the fact that OMVIC blames the dealership for this and revoked the dealer's lisence !! The dealer should have refunded the money and taken back the car to settle the issue. Both parties would have been happy.
17-May-2010, 09:22 PM
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This is not much of an opinionated story as it is clearly injustice for the customer on this part.
Dishonesty from the Dealer
Example A -Evidence from Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council
The Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council, which regulates new and used car dealers, took action after she complained. Its investigation found she should have paid about $41,000 for the vehicle — which wasn’t even new
This is a council which uses a non biased approach which for anything would be pro-dealer because of this council being indirectly financed by the auto industry. If car sales drop, they become extinct. They determined that this car WASN'T EVEN NEW.
Example B - Proof of a shady salesperson persona
“We didn’t do anything wrong in the case of this transaction,” said Trung. “We made a little bit of money on the deal. I guess she was not happy with it.”
Yea I guess not douche bag. After the council found that the car was not new, nor was it reasonable to charge brand new price on the vehicle, plus a $25k markup?
This is clearly proof the management of the dealership is all about ripping people off and showing no integrity.
Example C - Another example of no integrity.
Mazda Canada lists the base price of the new sedan at $39,969 on its national website, but the dealership allegedly posted a sticker of $45,846 on the car.
Example D - More proof of no integrity...
Smith said the salesmen also billed Leonard, who is intellectually disabled, about $4,500 for a “protection package” that included fabric guarding, rust and sound proofing and window etching. Other dealers charge about a third of that for the same items, he said.
Example E - Proof of dirty history
Although the dealership is not a member, the bureau has received six complaints and issued a D+ rating on a scale from A+ to F since January 2008.
Alot of you guys are entitled to your own opinion as we live in a free and liberal country which is how it should be. With this said how can you honestly think to blame a woman who has a learning disablity for this mistake. Being a salesperson myself there is a great sale and just simply ripping people off. This is were someone got ripped off. A good sale is all about 'maintaining' margin and selling every add-on possible. It became fraud once they started hicking the price.
With all the examples in the article and listed in my reply how can you honestly outweigh that to a learning disability? She shouldn't have been there in the first place? It's her problem? Well who is going to look out for the weak? How would you feel if this happened to you? How would you feel about learning how you got ****ed hard in the *** years later and not being able to do something about it? lol...
Dishonesty from the Dealer
Example A -Evidence from Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council
The Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council, which regulates new and used car dealers, took action after she complained. Its investigation found she should have paid about $41,000 for the vehicle — which wasn’t even new
This is a council which uses a non biased approach which for anything would be pro-dealer because of this council being indirectly financed by the auto industry. If car sales drop, they become extinct. They determined that this car WASN'T EVEN NEW.
Example B - Proof of a shady salesperson persona
“We didn’t do anything wrong in the case of this transaction,” said Trung. “We made a little bit of money on the deal. I guess she was not happy with it.”
Yea I guess not douche bag. After the council found that the car was not new, nor was it reasonable to charge brand new price on the vehicle, plus a $25k markup?
This is clearly proof the management of the dealership is all about ripping people off and showing no integrity.
Example C - Another example of no integrity.
Mazda Canada lists the base price of the new sedan at $39,969 on its national website, but the dealership allegedly posted a sticker of $45,846 on the car.
Example D - More proof of no integrity...
Smith said the salesmen also billed Leonard, who is intellectually disabled, about $4,500 for a “protection package” that included fabric guarding, rust and sound proofing and window etching. Other dealers charge about a third of that for the same items, he said.
Example E - Proof of dirty history
Although the dealership is not a member, the bureau has received six complaints and issued a D+ rating on a scale from A+ to F since January 2008.
Alot of you guys are entitled to your own opinion as we live in a free and liberal country which is how it should be. With this said how can you honestly think to blame a woman who has a learning disablity for this mistake. Being a salesperson myself there is a great sale and just simply ripping people off. This is were someone got ripped off. A good sale is all about 'maintaining' margin and selling every add-on possible. It became fraud once they started hicking the price.
With all the examples in the article and listed in my reply how can you honestly outweigh that to a learning disability? She shouldn't have been there in the first place? It's her problem? Well who is going to look out for the weak? How would you feel if this happened to you? How would you feel about learning how you got ****ed hard in the *** years later and not being able to do something about it? lol...
17-May-2010, 09:31 PM
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I have the answer...... it just came to me.
All stupid ppl, clinically proven or not. Get FREE yes I said it FREE tattoo's on there forehead. Could say something like "don't sell me things I'm confused" That way none of them get taken advantage of?
All stupid ppl, clinically proven or not. Get FREE yes I said it FREE tattoo's on there forehead. Could say something like "don't sell me things I'm confused" That way none of them get taken advantage of?
17-May-2010, 09:32 PM
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I guess your not much of a Humanitarian?
17-May-2010, 09:36 PM
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As the saying goes... 'Only the strong survive' ! LoL
Go back in History and read all about the Roman Empire...
God wants the strong to survive and the weak to die.
This is how God controls the human population !
If you look at it from another view point maybe the salespeople are the weak ones,
meaning they need to rip people off just to survive ! hahaha
This is not the 1st, nor the last time someone will get ripped off by a dealer.
Unless fixed pricing comes into affect !
Go back in History and read all about the Roman Empire...
God wants the strong to survive and the weak to die.
This is how God controls the human population !
If you look at it from another view point maybe the salespeople are the weak ones,
meaning they need to rip people off just to survive ! hahaha
This is not the 1st, nor the last time someone will get ripped off by a dealer.
Unless fixed pricing comes into affect !
17-May-2010, 09:41 PM
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Hey, hold on..... there is so much going on with this subject. The crooks in this country and over protected by crooked lawyers. Since the laws are in place to help the unfortunate. One bad circle.
If you don't like the practices of the dealership don't shop there. They won't be around long.
Like stated earlier, Why is this lady driving? Shouldn't there have been a red flag when she applied for credit?
If you don't like the practices of the dealership don't shop there. They won't be around long.
Like stated earlier, Why is this lady driving? Shouldn't there have been a red flag when she applied for credit?
17-May-2010, 10:16 PM
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If you go into politics you can make a change. Don`t think you won`t.
17-May-2010, 10:19 PM
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17-May-2010, 10:53 PM
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its kind of shocking some people here are actually approving scams , and saying the stronger survive ...
Maybe I m old school or i was brought up with different values .. But as far as I m concern , what goes around comes around ...
In so many occasions I could of took advantage of people but I didnt , my values dont allow me to do it ...
I know people that take advantage of others but they all end up bad .. I dont need to take advantage of others so move up.
Maybe I m old school or i was brought up with different values .. But as far as I m concern , what goes around comes around ...
In so many occasions I could of took advantage of people but I didnt , my values dont allow me to do it ...
I know people that take advantage of others but they all end up bad .. I dont need to take advantage of others so move up.
17-May-2010, 10:58 PM
#34
It is not a scam. The person who bought the car is stupid, to put it logically.
A scam (Ponzi scheme) is when someone invests money, and doesnt see any return at all !
Those poor people dont see a dime of thier money !! Where is the help there ??
There have been so many of these Ponzi scheme frauds recently in the news !
A scam (Ponzi scheme) is when someone invests money, and doesnt see any return at all !
Those poor people dont see a dime of thier money !! Where is the help there ??
There have been so many of these Ponzi scheme frauds recently in the news !
17-May-2010, 11:00 PM
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or maybe all the scammers get a tattoo on their head saying , i m a "scammer dont buy from me "
17-May-2010, 11:06 PM
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It is not a scam. The person who bought the car is stupid, to put it logically.
A scam (Ponzi scheme) is when someone invests money, and doesnt see any return at all !
Those poor people dont see a dime of thier money !! Where is the help there ??
There have been so many of these Ponzi scheme frauds recently in the news !
A scam (Ponzi scheme) is when someone invests money, and doesnt see any return at all !
Those poor people dont see a dime of thier money !! Where is the help there ??
There have been so many of these Ponzi scheme frauds recently in the news !
I see your point , it happens everyday so its ok ... right??
17-May-2010, 11:08 PM
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The reason why politicians have such a bad stigma; and please be open minded on this, is that the one`s who made bad choices or even choices made for the country rather then the people are the only ones remembered. What about those who have actually done something for this country like Trudeau? As well as others.
It's kind of idiotic how this country is very dissatisfied with the political powers that be yet do nothing to change or even contribute. If you think all politicans are trash. Why not being the first (really the fifth) prime minister to not goto hell?
18-May-2010, 01:15 AM
#38
I never said politicians are trash... but the way government works is trash !
Issues and ideas always have roadblocks !!
I'll ramble on here about Canada and politics.
The country of CANADA is very lucky to be where it is positioned in the world.
It is immune to alot of what is going on in the world, because it is the only country that can sustain itself ! (oil, water, lumber, metal and other commodities)
We were the 1st country to come out of the recession. We barely felt the recession.
Our defecit is a very minor issue and no doubt can be paid off easily.
The only time(s) Canada has problems, is when it follows the lead of other countries ie: U.S.A. and CHINA. Our federal government is just there for 'show'. Government in this country is relatively small and insignificant. IMO, I bet if Canada had a coalition government, meaning all parties control the country, the country will actually be better off. Who will complain then ??? The NDP, Liberals, Conservatives and the Block Quebecois will all be happy. LoL
btw, Trudeau was a great salesman (like Obama) and was one of the 1st Canadian PM's to allow alot of immigration. That's why people thought he was great.
Issues and ideas always have roadblocks !!
I'll ramble on here about Canada and politics.
The country of CANADA is very lucky to be where it is positioned in the world.
It is immune to alot of what is going on in the world, because it is the only country that can sustain itself ! (oil, water, lumber, metal and other commodities)
We were the 1st country to come out of the recession. We barely felt the recession.
Our defecit is a very minor issue and no doubt can be paid off easily.
The only time(s) Canada has problems, is when it follows the lead of other countries ie: U.S.A. and CHINA. Our federal government is just there for 'show'. Government in this country is relatively small and insignificant. IMO, I bet if Canada had a coalition government, meaning all parties control the country, the country will actually be better off. Who will complain then ??? The NDP, Liberals, Conservatives and the Block Quebecois will all be happy. LoL
btw, Trudeau was a great salesman (like Obama) and was one of the 1st Canadian PM's to allow alot of immigration. That's why people thought he was great.
18-May-2010, 06:27 AM
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You guys are swatting at flies that aren't even there.... The damn lady just wanted to go in there for her tires, didn't want a new car. The sweet talking guy saw her disability and sweet talked her into a car. She left with a "new" car that she never wanted.
Why is everyone going on about her health implications etc? Plenty of people with LD drive and do a lot more, my brothers in that category. When was the last time you read about someone with LD crashing and causing a big fireball?
This story just stinks like yesterday's pile. The dealer deserves to get what they get and then some, if they took advantage like that of a lady with disabilities (whether they knew it or not) imagine what they were doing already? Don't forget they've had numerous complaints, why don't we all just read the entire article instead of ADDing it, skimming it and then making half informed commments?
Why is everyone going on about her health implications etc? Plenty of people with LD drive and do a lot more, my brothers in that category. When was the last time you read about someone with LD crashing and causing a big fireball?
This story just stinks like yesterday's pile. The dealer deserves to get what they get and then some, if they took advantage like that of a lady with disabilities (whether they knew it or not) imagine what they were doing already? Don't forget they've had numerous complaints, why don't we all just read the entire article instead of ADDing it, skimming it and then making half informed commments?
18-May-2010, 10:14 AM
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Wow!!!! I'm really surprised at some of the responses here...I mean REALLY!!!
How can you support such discusting behavour?!
First off, some of you are getting way off onto things that have nothing to do with this specific situation/case.
Secondly (I have to comment on this, sorry), I'm not quoting anyone, but it was said that "God wants the strong to survive and the weak to die..." You've obviously been taught the wrong idea. The truth is, nobody knows exactly how God works. But I CAN say for a FACT that God does not want anyone to die, for any reason period.
I'll leave it at that, because I'm not trying to start a whole other debate. That is for another time and place.
On to the actual case we are discussing: She just wanted some tires. That's it. They were totally dis-honest, took advantage of her and knew it. I find it completely discusting and I hope they get what they deserve. She obviously doesn't have any family or at least not locally. It sickens me that people will prey on such a person to such an extent. When will people realise that there is SO much more to life then money!??......
You can say what you want, but some of us are just so blind....
How can you support such discusting behavour?!First off, some of you are getting way off onto things that have nothing to do with this specific situation/case.
Secondly (I have to comment on this, sorry), I'm not quoting anyone, but it was said that "God wants the strong to survive and the weak to die..." You've obviously been taught the wrong idea. The truth is, nobody knows exactly how God works. But I CAN say for a FACT that God does not want anyone to die, for any reason period.
I'll leave it at that, because I'm not trying to start a whole other debate. That is for another time and place. On to the actual case we are discussing: She just wanted some tires. That's it. They were totally dis-honest, took advantage of her and knew it. I find it completely discusting and I hope they get what they deserve. She obviously doesn't have any family or at least not locally. It sickens me that people will prey on such a person to such an extent. When will people realise that there is SO much more to life then money!??......
You can say what you want, but some of us are just so blind....
Last edited by MPR; 18-May-2010 at 10:33 AM.
