Crash_Rx7

Hy people i m wondering what you guys would suggest
i have read alot about both the ZC turbo and a B16a
this is what i would be running

89-91 civic hb si

ZC engine
T3 Turbo setup (junkyard turbo) but done professional...
Blitz BOF
(intercooled maybe...)

B16A gen1

Basically i dont want to open either engine or do alot of work because both engines are not worth it... but with school i gotta make a choice...

I m looking for power off the line, and for the 1/4 mile

any suggestions???

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

D16Z6 turbo has the most potential, and will be cheapest and easiest to do

imported_My Blue Si

yea but he kind of specified the 2 motors he was deciding, not trying to be an ***.

I wouldn't turbo the zc unless you completely rebuild it so the motor can handle that type of power without blowing it.

B16 is a nice choice, good motors to just drop in and cruise but I would go with the zc turbo, hmm turbo

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

Ya, but he also said he doesn't wanna open the motor up at all, so stock internals, and he said he wants power off the line. That disqualifies BOTH motors he listed. Don't start with me punk LOL

Maybe he doesn't know that a D16Z6 costs like $50 to buy and bolts right in, and that there are lots of turbo kits for them too Or maybe YOU didn't know that LOL j/k again

imported_My Blue Si

we were fine for a couple months until now you little :fustrated

I did know that, thank you very much Mr BB. Did you know that you also have to pick up a tranny b/c the hydro one cannot go into a 4th gen...hmm.. so that's another couple hundred added onto the $600-$700 for the motor. $50
Can I have 10 delievered to my place by 6 sharp, thank you

Ok if he "doesen't" want to reuild or open the motor up then again turbo charge the zc and run it at 6 PSI boost and you will be fine.

BTW J/K BB

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

LOL

hydro conversions are possible now, or use a 4th gen Si tranny. I hear you've got a few extra ones around the house LOL

Reason I'm against these ZC motors is cuz if anything should happen to it, it'll be nearly impossible to replace things on it. Say you happen to boost too much from creep or spike, and next thing you know you have a broken ring land... good luck with the ZC... but w/ D series, you go to any decent Honda shop and they'll have tons of pistons lyin around. Drop the pan, take the cap off, pull out the piston and rod, replace, and stick it back in... same with bent rods and stuff. With the D16Z6, you can practically buy parts at Sobey's LOL Well, it's $50 in comparison to the B16A, cuz if you are lucky and patient, you can score a really great deal.

imported_My Blue Si

True, but that's why I said to not go past 6 PSI without internal motor work done. If you do then your an idiot and you deserve a blown motor. As for parts, you can go to any japan importer shop and get anything you want for the zc and there are dozens and dozens of shops in the GTA. As for my trannies, indeed I do have 1 and soon 2 trannies up for grabs Actually im quite pissed

I thought you meant $50 for the motor and good luck doing a hydro conversion, not worth the hassle plus you have to buy a mounting kit for a D16Z6 when a zc bolts right up so your saving even more $$$ right there on top of the tranny.

Im not saying going D16Z6 is a bad idea, it's a nice setup but im just debating over the 2 motors until you brought in the 3rd

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

Haha... don't you know, utility (happiness) increases w/ more consumer choice. So the more options you have, the more suitable a choice you can make. Does the D16Z6 not bolt right up to the Si 4th gen tranny??

imported_My Blue Si

Yes all 4th gen trannies bolt right up to the D16Z6

Rice Burner

Actually a ZC is classified to be a Dseries motor, you can use any pistons you want, ie. 1.6 integra pistons (higher compression), 1.6 D series and there are even performance pistons (since it's a D series )
You can make a D16 to a D20, you can also make a ZC to a ZC 2L.... so, wet dreams start.......


ZC bored out to a 2L, T-toped (so we can run at 20 psi), port and polished head, bored and port matched throtle body and plenum, throw on a turbo from a Talon, use the exaust manifold off of a 88-91 cx, add an intercooler from an Audi 5000 (because it fit's nicely in the opening in my bumper) add some injectors from a Talon or a Prelude (Talons will need resistor's, Prelude's won't) a HKS super sequential blow off valve and make sure to upgrade the brakes.....
Because this BIATCH is gonna fly! This would prob. run a 11-12 sec. run!

Crash_Rx7

Hey guys thanks for your help with the information,
still tryin to make my decesion,
and another question would be will i be having a lot of problems with timing and fuel mang.

ZCcrx

go with the zc turbo, u wont regret it, mine will be done in in 3 weeks with a built engine( with no trouble finding internal parts) of course the b16 guys will say the zc sucks and go with the b16, but i have had my zc for 3 years and love it and researching going turbo i had emailed and talking to many zc turbo owners and it seems the zc loves being turbo,ed as long as its properly tuning(just as with any turboed car) so many people blow their engines because or inproper tuning or over-boosting(a stock engine)anyhow go with the turbo is my opinion

Crash_Rx7

Thanks,
Whole new change of plan, lol somewhat...
90 civic gone...
92 Civic hb, just bought today...
hyrdo clutch..
but i think i m having a turbo, even if it is slow i like the pssssssssst

sugarcane

Turbo won't be slow its that damn wheel spin!!!!

Also, nobody really mentioned......a new clutch (stage 2) may be in place.

speedracer

zc all the way..by the way, i am selling mine...pm me

Rice Burner

In all honestly a B-16 conv. into a fourth gen. is going to cost approx. $4500 to $5500. I know, some smart *** is going to say I can get it for $1500 or $2500, if so and a GOOD working motor and LEGIT sign me up for 10 of them! Trust me on the number's, You gotta look at getting new mounts$500-$600 from Leitner (if you want Hasport $800-$900), motor tranny and ecu is gonna run from $2000+, you also need to buy the harness, drive shafts $150 a side, new header, exaust needs to be modified, shift linkage needs to be modified and installation. Even if you low ball everything and say $4000. And that's not even a rebuilt engine, that's someone else's motor with God know's how many k's on it. I know they all say 40k, yeah right!
Scenario 2...
Get a ZC for $400-$800, you don't need new engine mounts and bolts right up to a fourth gen. tranny, fourth gen. ecu works fine with a ZC just add two wire's. You can have the ZC rebuilt for about $2500-$3000 (that's new piston's, slight overbore just to clean things up, new valve train..... basicly a new motor!), you wanna port and polish it add $800-$1200, bore the throtle body and plenum and port match the two $300. Your still below the B-16 conversion! Yes it's only 135 hp as opposed to 165, Not necasarily though! If you know which diriction you intend on going (N.A. or F.I.) you can build even more. If N.A. you can use Integra 1.6L piston's which will give you a higher compression rate 10 or 10.5 to 1. You can get a turbo from the junkyard off of a Talon along with the stock blow off valve and injectors and you can make them "bolt" on, or a rebuilt turbo from a Talon for around $500 and B.O.V. of your choice and wallet. And run it at 8 psi all day with no probs. If you T-top the block you can run at 14psi all day with no probs. (as long as your tuned right!).
The ZC has more torque, also the ZC is a brand new rebuilt motor not a used motor with God know's what k's or prob's. I know enough people who did conversion's with used motors that blew or had compression probs. I also know people who didn't have any probs. Ultimatly the choice is your's.