y do ppl bad mouth h22 swaps?????
09-Apr-2005, 10:33 PM
#22
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Originally posted by QRTR
Like Cablerat says don't believe everything you read .
Any V tec motor is all good in the hood ...
It all depends on your budget really...
Like Cablerat says don't believe everything you read .
Any V tec motor is all good in the hood ...
It all depends on your budget really...
09-Apr-2005, 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by Cablerat
I honestly doubt that, unless you and I have a different opinions of "lots of room"..
There's room in front, around the headers and alternator area (H22 has alternator on front). But anywhere else no way.. The motor has to fit pretty damn close to the firewall so that the drive shafts line up.
Like when you see pictures, it almost looks like the engine belongs in there, but it sure doesn't!
My IACV is probably 2 cms from the firewall.
My timing belt cover is about 1-2 cm from the driver side wheel well.
The H22 tranny, sits below the frame.
And finally my slave cylinder on the clutch is inside the fan shroud, but the fan blades miss the cylinder by maybe 1 cm.
That's the clearance all around..
I honestly doubt that, unless you and I have a different opinions of "lots of room"..
There's room in front, around the headers and alternator area (H22 has alternator on front). But anywhere else no way.. The motor has to fit pretty damn close to the firewall so that the drive shafts line up.
Like when you see pictures, it almost looks like the engine belongs in there, but it sure doesn't!
My IACV is probably 2 cms from the firewall.
My timing belt cover is about 1-2 cm from the driver side wheel well.
The H22 tranny, sits below the frame.
And finally my slave cylinder on the clutch is inside the fan shroud, but the fan blades miss the cylinder by maybe 1 cm.
That's the clearance all around..
Yep, Garno (Justin).
But he knows his car isnt fast by ANY means....
10-Apr-2005, 12:39 AM
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I think a H22 is a great motor and would be good for a street car if you upgrade the suspension properly, good if you want to build a drag car too.
That said, I'd never do it (for me)... you can't make a Civic with a H22 handle competitively, I know 200lb heavier than stock doesn't sound real bad but it seriously changes the balance of the car. A stock D15 weighs about 185 lbs and the H22 is 385 lbs! That's a big difference way over the front wheels. I know guys (who do solo2) that wish they had never swapped in their Bseries motors and they're only 60-80lbs heavier. Would be less of a difference on the track but in tight Auto-x the power gain is almost negated by the weight.
That said, I'd never do it (for me)... you can't make a Civic with a H22 handle competitively, I know 200lb heavier than stock doesn't sound real bad but it seriously changes the balance of the car. A stock D15 weighs about 185 lbs and the H22 is 385 lbs! That's a big difference way over the front wheels. I know guys (who do solo2) that wish they had never swapped in their Bseries motors and they're only 60-80lbs heavier. Would be less of a difference on the track but in tight Auto-x the power gain is almost negated by the weight.
10-Apr-2005, 12:41 AM
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The swap is definetly fast for the money. So there's a touch more weight up front. Big deal. Move the batery and take off the AC. An H22 in an EG is a great swap. In an EF its kind of iffy though. H22's are jsut a touch too big and there alway's rubbin and breaking ****. H22 in an EG is a SICK combo.
10-Apr-2005, 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by Dr.K
The swap is definetly fast for the money. So there's a touch more weight up front. Big deal. Move the batery and take off the AC. An H22 in an EG is a great swap. In an EF its kind of iffy though. H22's are jsut a touch too big and there alway's rubbin and breaking ****. H22 in an EG is a SICK combo.
The swap is definetly fast for the money. So there's a touch more weight up front. Big deal. Move the batery and take off the AC. An H22 in an EG is a great swap. In an EF its kind of iffy though. H22's are jsut a touch too big and there alway's rubbin and breaking ****. H22 in an EG is a SICK combo.
10-Apr-2005, 02:59 PM
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my friend had a lude SRV and that thing pulled very hard all the way to redline. drive the lude, then drive a civic (or 1.6EL in my case) and the torque just isn't there until atleast 3000 if not closer to 3500. the lude was get up and go at 2500 so i'd say that engine in a lightweight car would kickass. however i should point out, my buddies lude engine went somewhere in the ball park of 150,000 
so reliability may not be same as B18C
so reliability may not be same as B18C
10-Apr-2005, 05:12 PM
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Definitely, for SOLO courses and whatnot it wouldn't be a good idea.. But for almost every other purpose, it's a good swap. In the end it's a preference thing. If you want a serious monster feel outta your civic, then yes teh H22 will provide that. I love the look people give me when I just the start thing.. You know the difference between a d15 and an H22
Hell even if you blow the engine, it only costs like $1000 for another one.
Blow a type-r and you're screwed..
Installing an H22 in an EF is easily 5X more work than installing into an EG. The h22 will NOT fit in an EF without banging on the frame a bit.. No mount kits for it, so You gotta weld it on yourself. Wiring is totally different (ODB0 to ODB1). Tranny is totally different. (Cable to hydro)
Definitely not recommended..
Hell even if you blow the engine, it only costs like $1000 for another one.
Blow a type-r and you're screwed..
Installing an H22 in an EF is easily 5X more work than installing into an EG. The h22 will NOT fit in an EF without banging on the frame a bit.. No mount kits for it, so You gotta weld it on yourself. Wiring is totally different (ODB0 to ODB1). Tranny is totally different. (Cable to hydro)
Definitely not recommended..
10-Apr-2005, 05:53 PM
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plenty of ludes over the 200k mark on the engine and its still running fine, all this nonsense of risky motor....
Ive seen just my share of people blowing D16's with low km's and people needing rebuilds done on B18C5 because they drive them to hard, any engine will give you problems if not maintained and driven like you stole it every day (quote from cantanagod)
Ive seen just my share of people blowing D16's with low km's and people needing rebuilds done on B18C5 because they drive them to hard, any engine will give you problems if not maintained and driven like you stole it every day (quote from cantanagod)
10-Apr-2005, 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Cablerat
I love the look people give me when I just the start thing.. You know the difference between a d15 and H22
I love the look people give me when I just the start thing.. You know the difference between a d15 and H22
hahahaha...it's probably a little more violent...
True, H22's are getting cheaper, forget about rebuilding just
buy another motor....LOL
