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y do ppl bad mouth h22 swaps?????

Old 08-Apr-2005, 09:06 PM
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y do ppl bad mouth h22 swaps?????

very curious , just wondering why alot of ppl dont like h22 motors? , they seem to be the best bang for your buck interms of horsepower anyway. just wanted to know becuase im ready to do a swap an i had that motor in mind. thanks guys
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Old 08-Apr-2005, 09:08 PM
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cuz ppl think the extra weight of the h22 causes understeer and garbage like that but the ppl who actually have the swap say theres no problem
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Old 08-Apr-2005, 10:21 PM
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they burn oil like a ****
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Old 08-Apr-2005, 11:22 PM
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so u guys wouldnt recommend the swap then?
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Old 08-Apr-2005, 11:35 PM
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cuz ppl think the extra weight of the h22 causes understeer and garbage like that but the ppl who actually have the swap say theres no problem
this is not true, the few people ive talked to that had the swap done said the handling wasnt great. Also they tend to burn oil and there not known to be "strong" motors.
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Old 08-Apr-2005, 11:55 PM
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u can always upgrade your suspension you can fix that problem cant you?
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Old 09-Apr-2005, 01:18 AM
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not worth it.. b series is cheaper to put in and much stronger
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Old 09-Apr-2005, 01:19 AM
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ya, this is just an asumption by ricers but i am gonna upgrade the suspension first anyways
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upgrading the suspension should help but its still not something i would do on a car other than a lude and maybe an accord
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wha do you guys mean by strong??, some guy i know just bought a eg hatch back with a h22 motor , and the fukin thing pulls sooo hard. its got basic bolt ons and he said its runnin low 13's, . Seems pretty good to me , now im trying to find out what the catch is with this motor.
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Old 09-Apr-2005, 11:53 AM
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Heres some truths:

The H22 DOES burn oil, some worse than others, and some very very little at all, it depends how the engine was broken in, as long as you keep an eye on your oil your fine

As far as weight in a civic, I can't comment as I have never driven one with it in, but best bet is ask Cablerat he has an h22 in his civic, he is DA MAN to talk to

As far as bang for buck, its hard to beat, complete h22 motor and trans gonna be like $2500 + install, for that money its alot of HP and torque, the fun factor is really high. B16 are a waste IMO specially if your car is heavy. A b16 in a light weight CRX might be fun, but I know of a couple people always complaining after they get the b16 they want more power, it just don't have torque.

As far as comments about weak, to me its irrelevant. The H22 motor is strong as a B series, only down fall is the weak ringlands to boost applications are iffy as alot of time spent on fuel delivery and tuning is needed if boosting stock, but I know of one guy running a JRSC on his h22 for over 2 yrs on stock engine and everything was fine, so its possible, but just like a B series if you turbo a B engine if your tuning is crap your gonna have problems as well. There is a guy running an H22 on H-T with I/H/E and lots of tuning doing 12.7 in a Integra, thats pretty amazing
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Old 09-Apr-2005, 11:55 AM
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well...picture a 150-200lb person sitting on your civic's hood

i think thats how much more they weigh then a b-series
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all i read is blah blah blah..

I've had an H22 in my civic for almost 2 years and 45K.

Trust me I've pushed on it hard, and it's still running absolutely perfect.. All the oil is still there.. Yeah when you bounce of the rev limiter constantly any car is gonna burn oil. I maintain it properly and it continues to perform.

As for weight issue, this has been discussed many times and many articles have been written up about this.. I've read people saying it weighs about 100lbs more than a B16.. Lose teh A/C, PS and mounting brackets and there's your 100lbs. The reason why the H22 causes understeer is because of the tilt at which the engine is installed. If could find the articles links I'll post them.. I tihnk someone actually posted one here recently.

Honestly, for regular street driving the "MADDDD" understeer doesn't mean anything. Get a grip on reality, 90% of the driving most of you will ever do with you car is straight driving. IE- ripping it on the 401.

Wanna know a true downside to this swap? Lack of space in the engine bay after the fact. For example, if your brake booster fails, guess what? Engine will almost 100% have to be removed.

If you like revving past 6500 to actually get your car moving, then by all means do a b16 and save yourself the misery of the MAD H22 Understeer... hahahah..

Don't believe everything you read
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Old 09-Apr-2005, 12:17 PM
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theres a guy in hamilton/stoney creek that was at one of the meets with an h22 EG and i forget what shop did it but he actually had lots of room under the hood
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oh ic thanks to everyone for there input, soo i guess it all depends on how the motor was treated before you get it, do u guys think that the usdm h22 motor will have less problems interms of burning oil and etc ? It might just be me but iv noticed that usdm motors are better then jdm because iv herd stories of guys getting jdm motors and them running like ****, but on the other hand everyone that iv talked to thats had a usdm including myself say there better motors, wha would you guys prefer jdm or usdm?
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oh ic thanks to everyone for there input, soo i guess it all depends on how the motor was treated before you get it, do u guys think that the usdm h22 motor will have less problems interms of burning oil and etc ? It might just be me but iv noticed that usdm motors are better then jdm because iv herd stories of guys getting jdm motors and them running like ****, but on the other hand everyone that iv talked to thats had a usdm including myself say there better motors, wha would you guys prefer jdm or usdm?
hard call

right now my car burns alot of oil and its USMD h22a4, but I bought it used so I dont know how the original owner treated it
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if i had an accord, i'd do a swap....but for a civic i'd stick to a b-series IMO....then again it doesn't matter 'cuase i'm a broke mo fo...lol
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theres a guy in hamilton/stoney creek that was at one of the meets with an h22 EG and i forget what shop did it but he actually had lots of room under the hood
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Old 09-Apr-2005, 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by shlammed
theres a guy in hamilton/stoney creek that was at one of the meets with an h22 EG and i forget what shop did it but he actually had lots of room under the hood
I honestly doubt that, unless you and I have a different opinions of "lots of room"..

There's room in front, around the headers and alternator area (H22 has alternator on front). But anywhere else no way.. The motor has to fit pretty damn close to the firewall so that the drive shafts line up.

Like when you see pictures, it almost looks like the engine belongs in there, but it sure doesn't!

My IACV is probably 2 cms from the firewall.
My timing belt cover is about 1-2 cm from the driver side wheel well.
The H22 tranny, sits below the frame.
And finally my slave cylinder on the clutch is inside the fan shroud, but the fan blades miss the cylinder by maybe 1 cm.

That's the clearance all around..
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