imported_Mattds

Hi there, i've noticed that swaping in a b-series, or perhaps a nicer d or zc seems to be what is most common, but from what i've seen of prices, the H series seems to offer much better value?
Is it becase the swap is more expensive to do? or am i missing something?

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

b-series' are so popular for many reasons. They're plentiful, cheap and can fit into most (EG, EK) civics using a combination of stock mounts, axles, and shifter linkages. And require little to no modification to make work in a civic/teg. And once in the car can be worked on very easily and everything is still accessable.
H22's however require more modifications to fit, custom mounts and axles and have a nasty cable shift linkage. Not to mention that workin on h22's in EG/EK's sometimes requires removal of the whole drivetrain, like if you have to change the clutch or the water pump.
Stock h22's don't even put out that much power, lots of torque, but not worth the trouble if you ask me, especially considering how easy b-series swaps are and how little modificiation needs to be done to the engine to get the power numbers beyond what h22's put out.
Just my opinion.

imported_SaYjAiBaO

people with h22s tend to go thru axles easier depending on their height level. the lower the car is the more stress it puts on the angle. so if you go h22, don't go too low. i've heard one guy on h-t snapped his while doing a u turn but he was dumped i think. the h22 is so big that if any parts like the intake manifold, brake master cylinder, or anything else needed to be replaced, you have to pull the motor out. it would be one hell of a sleeper though if you just get a stock car and put the 22 in there and leave everything else stock. i'm not bashing the 22 swap but it's just more difficult, which is why it's not as common. there are adapter plates out there that allow you to run a b series tranny on the h22.

imported_Team Rukus

simply put cuz its plug and play.

imported_CARLiTO_

I think the h22 is way too heavy of a motor for a light car such as a civic. The car will handle like ****. It will be more for dragging rather than tracking.

imported_2XPLICIT

I agree i think the H22A is too heavy it would be something good for a like a hatchback or CRX...

Type_R Del Sol

U guys all bash the H22....... I would rather spend the money to get an H-series knowing that I WILL beat all you guys with B-Series... Cuz anything you can do to your car I CAN DO 100x BETTER TO MINE!!!

Remember....

Torque and Knowledge wins races!!!

Step up to the plate boys!!

imported_Mattds

well thank you very much for the opinions, and yes, in my HUMBLE opinion, the b-series does seem like a more sensible choice, mainly due to the easy of working on the motor and reliability...

Thanks.

newman

Not true the complete swap is less than 40 pounds heavier. Thats not enough weight to make your civic dirive like siht.

Type_R Del Sol

tell em newman

imported_hdave

WRONG.

it is a well known fact that HDAVE wins races with his automagic d series


1st gear is good for city
2nd gear is good for hwy
3rd gear is good for flying
4th gear is for interstellar travel
5th gear will be for time travel when honda makes a 5spd auto for civics

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

h22's being super heavy and making a civic handle crappy is totally a load of crap....like newman said, its not too much heavier than a b-series.

imported_starboy869

hdave BTW: the new 06 Civic have a 5spd auto

imported_hdave

damnit, now no one can win races

they will travel into the future and be at the finish line before anyone starts

imported_Cablerat

In a feeble attempt to seem like they know anything, people continue to regurgitate **** they read on other pages written by other people that don't know ****.

Like newman said, the H22 is about 40lbs heavier than most B-series. Guess what, most H22 swaps are done without PS, so take off the PS pump and PS bracket and there you go, you pretty much weigh the same as a B series.

btw, I can get JDM OBD1 H22A swaps packages w/ Engine , tranny, ecu for $2000 now. And yes it's from a reputable JDM dealer..

Good luck finding a worthy B-series for that.

imported_CARLiTO_

Oh ok, I was under the impression that they were a few hundred pounds heavier.

imported_Christof

2.2L vs 1.6L over the whole cars life thats alot of gas if you ask me

BOND007

If I were doing drag I would go H22 if I were doing solo or track race I would go b series

imported_Cablerat

aahhhh WRONG.

not if it's in a civic.

My H22 civic used to give me over 600KMs to the tank in the summer, and above 500 in the winter.

Mind you, if you kick the **** out of it, yes your gas mileage will significantly decrease.. That applies both ways, to the B16 aswell.

In the H22, you rarely need to shift past 4K to pass traffic.

LEITNER

i will put a b18c/5 against an h22 anyday and the 22 will get raped. this is been covered many times. locked.