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imported_Mattds 04-Nov-2006 08:01 PM

what the hell is an electric supercharger?
 
hey there, i just saw one of these on ebay?!?!?!

Anyone have any expereince with them?

Cynikal.Mindset 04-Nov-2006 08:51 PM

go put a hair dryer in your intake and voila hahahahaha....they are sh*t

imported_t_dot_SiR 04-Nov-2006 09:24 PM

haha... there's this chip on ebay that claim to give you 15-20hp gain! haha for only 50 US or less hahahaha

ebay is a fantasy world to all drivers =)

imported_Mattds 04-Nov-2006 10:59 PM

it looked like an inline blower/fan rated up to X CFM...i mean in principle it should work right - like a ram air but contant, up to maybe 1psi of boost - so why doesn't it?

Cynikal.Mindset 04-Nov-2006 11:28 PM

if u want a real cheap ass SC u need a gas powered leaf blower...those actually work haha

Bryce 04-Nov-2006 11:33 PM

lmfao.. thoes things are bull**** and a half... here check this out lmao.

The guys at HMT actually tested this... and it makes 1CFM...

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/el_blower/index.html

you should have searched about this first .. i post on this topic at least once a month.

imported_kIeRaN 05-Nov-2006 08:51 AM

lol this is jokes

imported_weiRtech 05-Nov-2006 09:14 AM

anyone who actually buys one of those, deserves it.

imported_2join performance 05-Nov-2006 01:57 PM

A leafblower, or hairdryer could potentially work if the wheel was designed for compression. But even then it would require a LOT of juice from the battery just to keep it spinning all the time.
A more practical idea might be to use an external source like a hairdryer, or leafblower to prespool your turbo.

chris_si98 05-Nov-2006 02:07 PM

I have one..

added 50whp when vtack hits on my stock b20

imported_POWERED BY FURY 05-Nov-2006 02:53 PM


Originally posted by Premium Dude
A leafblower, or hairdryer could potentially work if the wheel was designed for compression. But even then it would require a LOT of juice from the battery just to keep it spinning all the time.
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this is pretty much true, without the compression its useless. pretty much the reason why all the gimmicks they have come out with in the past have never worked. you want FI power you spend FI money.

VTEC_Thunder 06-Nov-2006 11:21 AM

I acually tried to make my own.

I used a 3" ducted fan assembly from an RC plane from a hobby shop with the highest rpm motor available that would fit it.

The problem was the motor couldn't handle the HUGE current from the car battery and it fried. But not before the thing took off right out of my hands from the thrust!! LOL.

It definately had enough flow to create at least 1psi and up the ponies of my engine. (tried this on my old V6 cavy)

Don't dismiss this type of sc right away. you can't just use any old ducted fan. If it's too slow it will cause an obstruction in the intake. not help it.

If it's not done right, its a waste of time. maybe I left the idea too soon, maybe there is still potential? I don't know.

Maybe I'll reserect the project and use a step down transformer to decrease the voltage to the proper voltage for this motor so it doesn't fry it and try again.....got nothing to lose...:D

Bryce 06-Nov-2006 03:47 PM


Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
I acually tried to make my own.

I used a 3" ducted fan assembly from an RC plane from a hobby shop with the highest rpm motor available that would fit it.

The problem was the motor couldn't handle the HUGE current from the car battery and it fried. But not before the thing took off right out of my hands from the thrust!! LOL.

It definately had enough flow to create at least 1psi and up the ponies of my engine. (tried this on my old V6 cavy)

Don't dismiss this type of sc right away. you can't just use any old ducted fan. If it's too slow it will cause an obstruction in the intake. not help it.

If it's not done right, its a waste of time. maybe I left the idea too soon, maybe there is still potential? I don't know.

Maybe I'll reserect the project and use a step down transformer to decrease the voltage to the proper voltage for this motor so it doesn't fry it and try again.....got nothing to lose...:D

Its pointless labor... when you think of bang for buck.. 1psi is nothing. A Ram air wil make 1-2 cfm at 100km/h and above...

If anything these devices are not creating horsepower.. they are freeing up more HP than anything.
IMHO just another way to make money off of n00bz that dont know **** about cars.

I can only imagine what some fools will think of next.

imported_Mattds 06-Nov-2006 06:44 PM

I sort of think there's sense in this idea - i mean we know that RAM air works right? So why not a constant sort of ram air? There is a switch so it's not a constant draw on current, and isn't 1 psi ups the HP like 8 - 12% no?

I saw one on ebay for 300us that claims psi and for 500 that claims 1.7 psi...isn't that like 30 hp on a basic b16?

Gallagher 06-Nov-2006 07:16 PM

lol, go buy one man, well worth it!

Bryce 06-Nov-2006 07:18 PM

^^

Dude you have a Plastic POS little boat motor blowing air into a throttle body. What happens when its not open? If anything im sure your intakemanifold sucks much more air than that pos motor can blow. The bottem line.. this design is rather restricitve than anything else.

Witch is why a real turbo runs off of expeled fumees from your motor. That turbo will only spin off of your exhaust gasses. Witch in turn can only supply more air (boost) on what its provided initially.

You buy that ebay 300us ripi off put it into your car and post your dynoresults.

imported_Zyepher 06-Nov-2006 07:20 PM

I already pwn3d another no0b....round two???

Bryce 06-Nov-2006 08:35 PM

GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE ALREADY ZYEPHER ITS QUARTER TO NINE.

bbarbulo 06-Nov-2006 08:39 PM

in theory anything could be a supercharger.... anything that can move air. however, you need both PSI (pounds per square inch - pressure) and CFM (cubic feet per minute - flow). unless you can make those two together and at the same time, you haven't got isht. just think, if it was really that easy, wouldn't every car company throw one into their car.... after all, HP figures sell cars.

anywho, if you're smart, you won't waste your money. Those are just boat hull exhaust fans (to vent gas buildup inside the 'engine compartment' of a boat)

imported_Mattds 06-Nov-2006 09:46 PM

lol - i hate to saw this, but just my age probally disqualifies me from being a newbie! lol, i just think it's an interesting idea, but i guess the technology isn't there for it yet?

VTEC_Thunder 07-Nov-2006 09:35 AM


Originally posted by Bryce


Its pointless labor... when you think of bang for buck.. 1psi is nothing. A Ram air wil make 1-2 cfm at 100km/h and above...

If anything these devices are not creating horsepower.. they are freeing up more HP than anything.
IMHO just another way to make money off of n00bz that dont know **** about cars.

I can only imagine what some fools will think of next.

^^ Dude, I think you mean 1-2 psi not cfm. :wink:

In my case I didn't go out and waste $300 on mine. I got the parts myself dirt cheap from a hobby shop and built it myself. Just gave up too soon and didn't have all the components I needed.

You can't just use any old boat engine compartment vent fan, thats just stupid. Thats why I got a ducted fan DESIGNED to produce alot of thrust and flow alot of air for large RC planes. The motor I have for it turns a rediculous speed (like 70,000+ rpms) and the thing blew air like a mofo.

There are expensive models on the internet that don't work well, true.

If engineered and built right , there's no reason this device can't work.

VTEC_Thunder 07-Nov-2006 09:39 AM

I'll say one more thing: If everybody always thought the same way and nobody came up with new ideas or tried anything new, The world would be a very boring place and we'd all be driving really slow-a$$ cars!!!:nods:

Have an imagination and don't shoot down an idea just because it didn't work when you tried it.:D

Bryce 07-Nov-2006 02:20 PM


Originally posted by Mattds
lol - i hate to saw this, but just my age probally disqualifies me from being a newbie! lol, i just think it's an interesting idea, but i guess the technology isn't there for it yet?
ummm technology is there Vortech Superchargers

and what BB said above is totally correct.


I think you mean Psi not Cfm
TOUCHE Thunder ;). But you say if engineered and built right... at what cost though? 100 bucks for 1psi is already stupid. Im about to give up this arguement. They already have superchargers .. real superchargers for cars which should be used on cars. Just keep the boat motors & Or Hobby Motors on your planes/boats thats what there designed for. Im sure ive made my point on where i sit on this side of the fence..

:cheers: Thunder

VTEC_Thunder 07-Nov-2006 02:50 PM

^^ You my freind are correct.

However, to buy a real SC would cost thousands. The electric blower I've been working on has cost me LESS than $100 to date.

Most ppl spend $150-$350 on short-ram and CAI, to gain what? maybe 5hp at peak.

To me, the power you get from 1psi is greater than that from a CAI or SR, and when you join the intake with 1 psi boost?....even more power. Maybe not much but 10-15hp gain is worth $100 in my books...

I'm gonna see this through and try to build it right and see if it really works for myself.

These guys using a boat engine compartment blower is just a joke....they didn't think anything through at all. they just slapped it on. Developing a new product like this takes time and patience.

You think the first turbochargers or superchargers worked flawlessly the first few times?

Just something to think about.:)

zeeman 07-Nov-2006 03:44 PM

thats why superchargers/turbo chargers cost so much.....b/c they actually work.
Unlike this egay crap.

chris_si98 07-Nov-2006 03:45 PM

Weekend warriorssssssssssss

Bryce 07-Nov-2006 03:51 PM

Yes Chris.

Andrew you still interested in the job? hahahahaha ;) you can make your own McChickens here. with Honey mmmmm.

zeeman 07-Nov-2006 03:56 PM

mmm....mcChickens.

chris_si98 07-Nov-2006 04:03 PM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mcChickens

VTEC_Thunder 07-Nov-2006 04:14 PM


Originally posted by zeeman
thats why superchargers/turbo chargers cost so much.....b/c they actually work.
Unlike this egay crap.

I'm not talking about the egay products, nor am I building one...

I agree the ebay SC's are garbage as are alot of them out there on the web.

I'm trying to make one that will actually work....not mimick what's already been made...


And guys, stop with the mc chickens......you're making me hungry!!lol:yummy:

chris_si98 07-Nov-2006 04:14 PM

you're all a bunch of dirty stoners

zeeman 07-Nov-2006 04:20 PM

wtf are u talking about?

I was talking about mcChicken sandwhiches from mcKarls


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