l2iceman

hey guys, i've done alot of researching, and there's been alot of debate on this...

i'm gonna do a tranny oil change, and the honda manual, i think says 1.9L? or was it 1.9q...either wyah, it was 1.9 something, which is like two bottles...946ml = quart i believe, somethin like that, anyway, this is for a 98 civic, d16y8 motor...

i was reading on honda-tech n the main answers were, ppl arguin that they put 1.9 just like the manual says, and ppl puttin it until it dripped out the hole...in which case, some ppl were sayin up to 2.3 n such...should i go with drip? or what the manual says? 1.9 or more?

imported_BoOsTd

drip means full...

let me put it this way, in every honda maintenece manual how do they describe to CHECK the tranmision fluid level? Ill save you from looking, they say to make sure the fluid is up to the edge of the hole, normally by sticking your finger in there...

Buy three bottles, its normally around 2, but sometimes it ends up on the floor, especially if you dont have the proper funnel. The leftover is never wasted, tranny fluid should be change routinely!

Civic2

Yes, two bottles should be sufficient. But, you can buy a 4L (1 quart is almost 1 ml - exactly 946, right) jug if you want. Two should be good enough unless it's really dry.

I recommend going to your Honda dealer and buying the fluid there since it should be Honda fluid. You can ask them what they recommend but you should be safe putting in 2 quarts/ (approx. 2 ml worth).

l2iceman

i'm gonna get GM Synchromesh - Friction Modified, found it at one of the 4 dealerships in toronto that have them in stock lol Dundas/highway 10...$17.99/bottle!, yea the bottles are just under 1L, measured by ml, equals to a quart, i guess i'll stick to what the manual says n get two bottles, cuz i plan to switch tranny oil maybe...once a year? i think honda says recommended change is like 100k for normal driving conditions, and every 30k for heavy conditions...so once a year should be good since i probably wont even reach 30k in one year lol

alrite thanks guys for the input/info

Civic2

I would do it twice a year if your car has an automatic. It can't hurt. Automatic trannies are particularly problematic for Hondas. Is your car an auto?

l2iceman

nah, manual, thas why i'm gettin the GM stuff, cuz my gears are grinding a bit when i shift at like 5-6kRPM from 1st to 2nd n 2nd to 3rd...i wanna see if this'll make it go away for now haha

Civic2

Why GM stuff? I use google a lot and I found this:

"Honda recommends SF/SG 10W-30 or 10W-40 Motor Oil in their transmissions. Draining what you have and putting in the recommended oil will probably fix the cold hard shifting and grinding."

I would still buy the Honda stuff at the local dealer and describe the problem. It really could be anything but hopefully, it's as simple as putting in better fluid.

Check this link out:
Honda tranny grind

I know that's not exactly a description on the '98 Civic Si but with digging, I could probably find discussions on it. It's just one link that might give you ideas.

Btw, that's a nice car you have. I'm considering a Civic myself so I'm interested in any issues they have etc. I hope you can get to the bottom of it without too much financial pain. Good luck.

l2iceman

hey thx for the link n feedback, but the GM stuff is pretty well known as one of the best manual tranny fluid to reduce grinding in the transmission, but when i go to the mechanic to get the trannny oilc hanged, i'm gonna ask him to look at the shift linkage n bushings first if he can when he lifts the car up...if there is any problems with that, then i'll see if he can fix that first, and if that works, i'll just put in honda MTF and return or sell the GM stuff, but if the linkage is fine, i'll try the GM fluid n see if that helps

DumbasSi

Before you go and spend $18 on an bottle of the GM stuff, be aware that the Pennzoil Syncromesh and the AC Delco stuff is all exactly the same.

There was a similar thread about this already, so do a search.

l2iceman

yea i read about that, i've already searched it, but again, ppl were arguin on how much to put in, that is the point of this thread, i'm tryin to get a final answer on how much to put in...and ACDelco isnt cheaper, it is the exact same, the guy at the pontiac dealer told me lol it was $17.99/bottle there, but they didtn have any in stock...however, i didnt know pennzoil syncrhomesh was the same...OH byehteway...i'm not talkin about the REGULAR synchromesh...that stuff is like $8/bottle i think...i'm talkin about the Friction modified version...that stuff is a different product...ACDelco/GM are both the same, do u know if Pennzoil has one that is also labelled with "friction modified"?

Civic2

Okay, try this info:

From link:
Syncromesh

Here is a little more info regarding synchromesh.
http://www.stealth316.com/2-pennzoil-synchromesh.htm
Acording to this link
Pennzoil Synchromesh, Quaker State Synchromesh, Texaco Syncromesh, GM Syncromesh, and AC Delco Syncromesh
are all the same. Just get any one of these you can find the cheapest.

l2iceman

hmmm...so they make it for GM eh...i'm asssuming that pennzoil will also have a separate Friction Modified one...unless their regular one has it...cuz that article stated that they use a bit of friction modifier in it...so could be it, unless the GM Frictin modified version is the same thing with just a bigger percentage of Friction modifier in it...hmm...gonna yahoo some more, thanks!

imported_Cam Stableford

$17.99 a bottle???????? .... you're joking, right? ....

l2iceman

again, that is specifically for the "Friction modified" the regular Synchromesh was like somewhere around $8-10/bottle i believe, but the friction modified was alot more...ther's another thread where someone got it from the woodbine/highway7 dealer for $14.99/bottle i think, i would head up there, but thas quite a drive to save $6-7

highway 10/dundas is on the way to school for me, so it's alot more convenient...it's weird though, id ont know why dealerships charge diff prices on this..i thought it was same at all dealerships

pwllam

i agree...but twice a year seems a bit excessive to me. i think every 1.5-2 years or 45K would be fine.

When i changed my ATF-Z1, it took about 2.5L.

Nova_Dust

Eric, if you live at 404/Major Mac, then Woodbine/7 is definitely the place to shop, especially when they close at 9 on Wednesday.

l2iceman

oh nonnono, i live at weston/401 lol
i put 404/major mack for somethin else hahaha but i live at weston rd/401