imported_187Chor

how much power over stock would you make running stock internals?

how do you cool the air?

Cantonagod

I know 2 guys with just over 200 at the wheels with JRSC and stock internals.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

you cool the air with an aftercooler or meth/alcy injection.

Supercharged b16s IN MY OPINION are crap. They don't make enough power to really make the s/c efficient. IMO 4 cylinder, small displacement engines are better suited for a turbocharger. I know like 20 people with 275-300whp or just under on their turbo'd b16s with stock internals.

But if you are gunna supercharge your b16 anyways, i'd stay away from the JRSC and go with a procharger/vortec supercharger. You will definately want an aftercooler/IC or meth/alcy injection b/c the IATs on the s/c'd cars are really high, which will rob power and induce detonation.

imported_starboy869

I know http://www.tprmag.com/ did a report a few yrs back turbo vs supercharger vs supercharger. I just checked there site and I couldn't find it. However if I get some time in the next couple of weeks I'll look for my copy of the magazine and scan it up.

WTi

with a turbo setup there are also more options for upgrades/boost control whereas with sc you are limited to whatever pulley is on it. it is nice to change your boost level at the push of a button. the down side is it's more hardware to install. price wise, i think they are not far from each other though.

brianmcgaugh

Hairdryers, jusy blowing alot of hot hair.

Never will i own a supercharged 4cyl.

imported_chris_v2

to cool the air you need an aftecooler. Some companies custom make an aftercooler to your manifold LHT does this for JRSC charges that is about $900 US, and you have to send them your manifold. But seriously.. if you get a s/c get an aftercooler, you'll see tremendous gains, it'll lower IAT temps down a bunch.

I would also recommend reading up on different kinds of injection to help raise the octane.

Numbre one killer on s/c setups is detonation..

imported_Nicotine

superchargers are good in the low end. crap at top, which is where b series vtec engines shine.

turbo's spool and generate boost higher rpm ranges, where b series engines shine.

SC's, the boost is always there, with turbo - it's only there when you want it (when beating on it)...

turbo is, imo, far better than a sc..a bit more work to install (charge pipes, intercooler), but far more practicle on a 4cyl.

nothing sounds and feels better than the pull of building boost

imported_honda1b6a

all i say is BOOST all the way man,

imported_187Chor

hmm i heard the whining noise of the supercharger sounds sweet?? im curious to hear it.. and id imagine it does pull as well..

KAMUFI

Talk about the sweet sound of a supercharger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyeXLSpb9I&mode=related&search=

imported_chris_v2

Everybody here is knocking superchargers like they are ****.

Yes a better way to make more PEAK hp is too turbocharge obviously. But if you want to be an auto-crosser or just want some city fun, a s/c isnt a bad idea. Instant boost, GREAT torque. But on a b16, its kinda wasted. I was going to s/c my b20, but I decided against it. Maybe i'll do it one day, but not now.

But for the record, I would rather turbocharge than supercharge, just because s/c is very expensive if I was going to do it. Vortech kit, aftercooler, really great header, etc.

imported_187Chor

what kind of cooling would u use for the JRSC kit

imported_chris_v2

cooling the intake charge? or the actual cooling system..?

imported_Nicotine

for the money, a good b16 turbo setup would be way more beneficial..

as for the "sound"... a smaller turbo spools low. big fat turbos spool at higher rpms...(my garrett gt35r ball bearing for example...)

KAMUFI

I installed a water injection system on a JRSC, it worked out and there was an improvement on the dyno between using it and and pulling without it on.

imported_chris_v2

What are you opinions with your experience? Personally, I would like to try it, but if my setup is tuned with water injection and a mechanical failure occurs, weither it be a leak, pump blows, out of fluid, whatever.. i dont want to detonate, so I dont see it being that partical..

Mugen Power

yep, this cat knows what hes talking about. the LHT system transforms the jrsc kit. most people don't know how to set up s/c, but, they are still decent....well, i like them. but not on a 16 as Zman st8ed earlier

imported_187Chor

i wanted sc cuz the car has no ***** low end and i figure this would also give me an even boost thru out the power band, but excess heat at high rpm's is obviously something id worry about... would i have any overheating problems if i took the turbo route?
my mechanic is telling me to go with a t3/4 setup.. does the operational range of such a turbo provide sufficient boost in the high rpms?

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

well there are so many t3/t4 variants its hard to say.
But yes, the right t3/t4 will give you decently quick spool time and will flow enough CFM up top to give you the power you're looking for.