imported_Pyro

Is it ture that a super charger can make that sound the turbo makes? cause i heard that Vortech s/c has a bov?? and i heard that s/c are better for daily driven?? is that true too? so should i go towards a s/c?

b18bHatch

Theres not enough power to drive the belts for the S/c , u need power to make power...why not just go turbo is u want the sound of a BOV, for the same price as a supercharger you could buy a turbokit, and make better gains

imported_weiRtech

^^^ what he said. sc's are not efficient enough for 4 bangers. go turbo... that way when you want to swap your engine, you can swap your turbo onto the new motor much easier if you go from d to b.

imported_Pyro

i have a B18c....but yea if i get the SC would i have to change anything?? or i can just bolt it on as is and use it??

imported_janz3n

one word, research!
try honda tech.
just by the questions your asking i can tell you havent looked anything up or have but couldnt find anything.

chris_si98

how is there not enough power??

typical google mechanic answer...

b18bHatch

ok there rice man...i didnt mean theres literraly no power, its just in order to achieve the best results u need a decently trq/hp motor to start with. exactly why u barely see imports with superchargers

chris_si98

My friend has a s/c 1.8L it ran 13.0 flat with a 10psi pulley.. and the belt was slipping at high rpm as well.

It's all about preference

imported_starboy869

I remember there was a report written up on turbo vs superchargers. I just can't rememeber who did it. Dyno results for the B16a2 with a jackson racing(?) supercharger with the Air/water aftercooler made around 230hp. About 30hp more than the turbo running the same boost level.

now.... i just have to find that article for the honda. (I guess I have to go magazine digging since I can't find it on the net.)

350z article

I guess companies like Jackson racing and vortech are clueless about R&D and building superchargers for the 4 cylinder. Also I guess TRD is clueless also for there SC for the 1.8L


b18bHatch

heres not enough power to drive the belts for the S/c , u need power to make power...why not just go turbo is u want the sound of a BOV, for the same price as a supercharger you could buy a turbokit, and make better gains

imported_Pyro

would i need to change everything inside my motor for the SC not to blow my motor? or can i just stick with stock motor with a SC or will that blow my motor???

VTEC_Thunder

OK...

For tunability and reliability...go turbo...it takes no power from the engine to make power.

On Matrixowners there is a guy who put a trd sc on his AUTOMATIC matrix XR (for those of you who don't know it is the 1zz motor with 130hp stock....not the 2zz 180 hp motor). (yes I know its a toyota but it's a good example)

Through lots of money and dyno tuning....he got 180+whp out of it....I can link you to the post if nobody believes me...He now runs a turbo and is making well over 200whp (once again this is an automatic).

So, you can sc your car and make decent power (and to be different) but it's not worth it if you can make the same power or more, more efficiently and be more reliable by using a turbo instead.

chris_si98

how is a turbo setup more reliable then a s/c setup?

turbo setups are known more for peak whp numbers, s/c are known for its killer powerband. Look at the torque curve on some s/c setups.. I've driven a s/c c5, i would rather drive that than zeeman's built b16 prx with 7psi (obviously the boost wasnt turned up) but i'm just saying for city driving, nothing beats instant boost. LIke i said before, it's all about preference.

Turbocharging is the trend now and everybody thinks every other option is stupid, well its not.

VTEC_Thunder

^^ It depends what he wants. Your right, it is prefrence.

If he wants a decent increase in power, nothing crazy and drives it daily, he could go either way (turbo or sc) and be equally reliable. But if he wants all out power AND reliability...the sc is limited...a turbo is more flexable in the sense that, given the proper setup, you can easily turn up the boost with proper tuning and get alot more power. With an sc, you need a new pully and belt and spinning the sc faster can be very hard on the sc.

chris_si98

yup

thats why I said for a city driver and daily driven car its a good choice.

VTEC_Thunder

As long as he doesn't have plans to make big power later on...

Cynikal.Mindset

supercharger +1

if I could get my hands on a kit for a good price I would do it over the turbo

RDub99

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Tyson09

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i say if your going just for a nice jump go S/C but if your gonna continue to upgrade and tune do a turbo

szuberi

+2

while turbo setups yield more...there are too many things that can go wrong as opposed to a relatively simple sc setup.

chris_si98

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riight.

The only things that are really different would be leaks and possible compressor surge.

With s/c you got a few factors as well, belts slipping and possible ruining the rest of your acc. belts (which ive seen happen!). You got those deadly deadly high IAT numbers that are costly to lower (water injection, aftercooler, etc)

To me.. they both are on par in terms of reliability.