imported_Krossfyah

when changing from stock to perforamnce springs


do you need to get a camber kit installed?

I got a 7th gen civic with eibach springs that are going to be installed

is it necessary for a camber kit to be installed

i heard from alot of people that i dont need it
and some poeople say i do

who do i believe?>

imported_SaYjAiBaO

it depends on how low your drop is. the lower your car, the more negative camber it will have. you'll be fine if you don't drop your car more than 2 inches. if not then you'll have ghey camber and will eat your tires faster. upgrade your shocks while installing those springs.

imported_Krossfyah

the drop is 1.5 or 1.8 on the sport line eibach springs

shud be ok right?


if i dont upgrade shocks, what can happen?

imported_sane

in my opinion:

do the camber kit anyway - always best to have the camber as zeroed as possible. furthermore, if you're on +sized rims you'll notice it more as lower profile tires cannot compensate for camber as well as higher profile tires. not to mention: cars that exhibit hella camber are JUST BAD TASTE, PEOPLE!!!

factory shocks are nice'n soft, but were never meant for the short & constantly compressed suspension travel that they're asked to perform with lowering springs. the lower the springs, the more compressed your shocks are - the quicker they'll wear out.

if you want to go the cheap route: you may be able to get away with no camber kit and stay on factory shocks if you don't lower your car more than about 1.75". just note that your tires will get negative camber wear, and your shocks will wear out faster than they would if the springs were stock.

that said, my (longtime) suggestion for aftermarket springs is... (drumroll please)....

H&R SPORT

my 2 cents.

imported_SaYjAiBaO

im dropped 1.75 and the springs have settled so i might be a bit lower and i think my camber is too much. the way its eating my tires is really pissing me off. on sportlines you should be fine. if i had the $$ i would get the camber kit.

DumbasSi

Krossfyah drives a 7th gen like me, so comparing suspension set ups with older gens is pointless because they suspension is totally different. I've been riding on H&R Sport springs with stock struts for a year. They drop approx 1.5". I have no camber wear and my stock struts are still fine. On the 01+ Civics, if you stay less then 2", a camber kit is not necessary. I will be upgrading to Koni Yellow struts over the winter though.

Here is a good link about the 7th gen suspension.
http://hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/0205ht_suspension/

imported_SaYjAiBaO

i'm sure the ride is 10x better on after market shocks compared to stock shocks.

DumbasSi

I'm not disagreeing with that. My 98 rides 10x better on the Konis then my 03 on stock. I can't wait to feel/see how it will ride on the Yellows.

DumbasSi

Krossfyah remember your car is an 04 when ordering suspension parts. 01 and 02 Civics are slightly different and some of their suspension parts won't fit directly without modifications.

imported_phuviano

I find that kind of hard to believe that you have no camber wear. I would believe you if you said a little bit of camber wear. I'm calling BS, or camber wear you can see because its on the inner side of your tire, hence negative camber.

There's no rule that says if you lower more than 2 inches you should get a camber kit. Its just a suggestion that most people follow.

If I were you, I'd get a camber kit regardless of drop. Just like Sane said, its best if you get closest to zero camber if possible. Even a little camber will cost you more money on tires.

btw, you can't just look at your car and say I have no camber wear. Sometimes you tire will look perfectly straight, but when you get it on the alignment machine, the camber is out.

DumbasSi

Well I looked at my 15" steelies the other day and to my eyes they have no camber wear. Wanna see a pic?

They all look like that after almost a year of the H&R drop. everyone's car is different, but in my case, I see no excessive wear. Yeah the one side looks a tiny bit worn more then the other, but you can barely notice it. I'm not going to argue, but in my case, a kit is not necessary. Once I get the Konis, I will probably get a kit just to complete the suspension.

DumbasSi

A machine might say otherwise, but I've never had the car aligned eventhough I should.

Mr. Death

Here's something I read the other day about negative camber and it's benefits. (Quote)"Some negative camber is "good' for traction when taking corners at speed. Increasing negative camber is one of the most effective and inexpensive ways to improve handling but is often overlooked on street cars. Negative camber in the 2 degree range will have little effect on tire wear but can have a dramatic affect on reducing understeer. Insufficient negative camber is the reason many driver school students destroy the outside edges of their front tires. For perspective, the front suspension of race cars are usually set up with 3 to 4 degrees (or more) of negative camber. However, this much negative camber would quickly wear out the tires of a street driven car that spends most of it's time going straight.

imported_SaYjAiBaO

the reason why you don't have AS much camber wear is because you're rolling on some hard compound all season tires. even to the naked eye right now i can tell you that your tires are suffering from camber wear and it's quite noticable. look at the top of the tire in your pic. you'll see how the end on the left side is quite sharp as to the inner right side where it just kind of curves down. you slap some performance tires that have softer compounds and you'll notice way more camber wear like my 512s. the front and rear are suffering from camber wear quite bad now since i have like 30k on these tires.

imported_Krossfyah

thanks guys for the input
I wanna get the koni yellows my self, any good places for reasonable pricing?

DumbasSi

I'd be more worried about toe then camber. Toe destroys tires faster then camber does. Once my suspension is complete, I will definately look into a proper kit, but for a mild drop, I don't think it's really necessary.

PM Astroboy or Proparts about Koni prices. Look in the Group Buy section for their threads.

imported_Joker

how bad is it to ride on blown shocks?