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Old 03-Apr-2006, 07:45 PM
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sticky tires?

do sticky tires work good or bad in the rain, i thought my tires were nice n sticky, but i kept burning out at every stop sign today in the rain. Are they only good on dry summer roads, or are my tires just not sticky? thx
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Old 03-Apr-2006, 08:47 PM
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well, what kind of tires are you running? most summer tires aren't that fantastic in the rain in my experience. i had a set of toyo t1s's once and i'll never spend that money again as they didn't last long at all. sure they were gummy, but i only got 20k out of them... i could probably have gotten more miles out of a set of ra1's. i'll get whatever is cheap as long as they are z rated.
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Old 03-Apr-2006, 08:58 PM
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yeah they arent expensive tires, they were 99 dollars each, they are Z rated. they are like nexen n3000's or somethin, they came with the package i bought from pickering tire.
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Sticky tires are Falken Azenis, Hankook Z212, Toyo RA-1, etc.

Only tires with aggressive water channels like the Goodyear DS-G3 will perform great in the rain, the rest are all mediocre. Even Hankook Z212's perform ok, but remember most summer tires, especially expensive good ones are meant for maximum dry grip, so they will never be as good in the rain. Test after test shows a good summer tire grip at 0.93+ lateral G's and go down to 0.80 in the wet. Its just not their purpose.

Now an all-season or summer tires with aggressive water channel, will not get that high dry grip, but it also won't loose so much wet grip. It may pull 0.90 G's dry, then 0.85 G's wet.
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Old 03-Apr-2006, 11:07 PM
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There are R compound tires designed with wet traction.
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Old 03-Apr-2006, 11:14 PM
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^^ definately, Hankook alone makes a few and full depth RA-1 are often used as wet track tires, but i'm talking normal summer tires like ES100, Azenis, SPT, Z212...they just don't have the same grip in the wet as dry. Tires like Proxes 4, Zeix 512 and Goodyears maintain closer dry to wet performance, but their summer grip (dry grip) is just not on par with summer only tires.
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Old 03-Apr-2006, 11:41 PM
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Yeah my Azenis aren't that great in the rain but on dry surfaces they grip hard. Best tire for the money IMO.
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Originally posted by alwaysoverkill
Sticky tires are Falken Azenis, Hankook Z212, Toyo RA-1, etc.

Only tires with aggressive water channels like the Goodyear DS-G3 will perform great in the rain, the rest are all mediocre. Even Hankook Z212's perform ok, but remember most summer tires, especially expensive good ones are meant for maximum dry grip, so they will never be as good in the rain. Test after test shows a good summer tire grip at 0.93+ lateral G's and go down to 0.80 in the wet. Its just not their purpose.

Now an all-season or summer tires with aggressive water channel, will not get that high dry grip, but it also won't loose so much wet grip. It may pull 0.90 G's dry, then 0.85 G's wet.

listen to this guy, he definately knows his rims/tires/suspension/etc..
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Old 04-Apr-2006, 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Mr. Death
Yeah my Azenis aren't that great in the rain but on dry surfaces they grip hard. Best tire for the money IMO.
you run the azenis all summer or only when u go racing(track).
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Old 04-Apr-2006, 02:26 AM
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All summer.
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Old 04-Apr-2006, 08:47 AM
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Ran Azenis for the last 2 years. Amazing in dry, crap in wet.
This year, iam running Hankook RS-2 and hopefully they are gonna be better in the rain. I ll post up some reviews once i pull my car out.
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Old 04-Apr-2006, 09:30 AM
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I am going to run Z212 as well, I think the tread design should be better in rain.
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I'm going from Z212 to RT-615's, the Z212 were not bad at all in the rain and resisted hydroplaning pretty good, but they did feel alittle "greasy" in wet cornering. Also the wear was actually really good too, I was rocking 205/50/15

Good grip too, i'm hoping the RT-615 is alittle better but they are pretty much exact same tire.
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Old 04-Apr-2006, 10:35 AM
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I bought Z212 because of the success it had in autocross events, and they were on sale. Price wise, I couldn't say no.

I was quoted a set of RT-615 for under 600 from PAC Mall, which I thought wasn't that bad. But it is not like I am gonna run multiple sets of tires in one summer, so I had to settle with a proven deal.
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If you have 17" wheels and don't mind spending a bit on tires, try the advan neova's. They are amazing in the dry, and very good in the rain for full out performance tires. Besides that the gs-d3 has decent wet and dry performance, and was named the #1 tire according to car and driver.
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Old 04-Apr-2006, 11:26 PM
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Now these are sticky tires...



I was actually pretty amazed when I used my 710's last year during a solo2 event in the rain, they stuck pretty well. I was even more suprised when we went out for lunch (in a torrential downpour) and it was totally manageable...
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nova how much did you pay for your hankooks? i'm looking into buying a set of summer tires this year to run. my 512s just don't cut it at shannonville. lol i can't afford to own a different set of rims and ra1s either.
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my Falken are ZR, and they are prety good in rain, and on dry surface. it has prety agressive thread.
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The Hankooks were on sale and that deal ended already. I got them for 115 each plus GST and shipping.
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