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Old 30-Dec-2003, 01:23 AM
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short ram intakes

Is going for and AEM intake gunna make make any difference in performance than a cheaper one (reactive) ? is it worth spending the extra 60 bucks? isnt a tube just a tube? any feed back?
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Old 30-Dec-2003, 02:03 AM
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no difference, your not gonna feel the extra 2hp if at all any
its basically for the better throttle response and the "sound" it makes at wot

go for the 60 dollar one , it'll save u money , get a k&n filter if u want "some" performance

btw do a search u will find lots of info on intakes
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i agree

get the cheap one then replace the filter w/ a real K&N cone filter
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Old 30-Dec-2003, 11:29 AM
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totally dont buy AEM for the name.....its not worth it, they all do pretty much the same unless u want a crazy N/A setup and need every single little HP
I have a cheap one for sale if your interested.
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agreed
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Old 02-Jan-2004, 11:54 AM
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short ram intakes, destroy cold air intake in the upper end of the rpm scale. above 6K, sri's own cai's. if you are looking for a slight bump in mid range power, then go cai. but of you have bumped up your c/r to atleast 11/1, rev above 8200rpm, have a good list of mods and at least ctr cams, sri's are king of top end power.
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both cai and sri dont make noticeable amonts of power, if u want power do some real mods..... swap swap swap
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Just a heads up. If you go with a "cheap" intake, Make sure you get a good air filter. I've heard of more than one instance where a Reactive filter has come apart, and the middle piece has lodged into the throtle body. Just my two cents.
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I picked up an AEM CAI and K&N filter w/recharge kit for $150 used. Cant say I noticed a diff in HP, but I got better throttle response plus I get a nicer sound out of my car now even with the stock exhaust.
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both cai and sri dont make noticeable amonts of power, if u want power do some real mods..... swap swap swap
already put in a swap in my car jus looking to squeeze a little extra hp and torque.........thanks for the feed back.........just bought a sri and really i dont fell any difference.........just sounds meaner!
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Originally posted by InVaDeR_HB


already put in a swap in my car jus looking to squeeze a little extra hp and torque.........thanks for the feed back.........just bought a sri and really i dont fell any difference.........just sounds meaner!
is it a 3" sri? if so, i'm suprised that you can't feel a difference. but, the hardest thing a butt dyno can't detect is average hp. the hp & tq that is made throughout a 4000rpm range (3-4whp) usually goes undetected. put that **** on a dyno and you'll notice the increase in power. guaranteed, as long as you have a good air filter. (K&N, HKS, Weapon R, ITG, Comtech.....etc.)
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3" diameter pipeing is too big

get 2.5" that will work better, creates more velocity in the tube
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3" diameter pipeing is too big

get 2.5" that will work better, creates more velocity in the tube
i don't know about that. if it's a d16, then, yeah, 2.5" is o.k. but, it he owns a dohc zc or b16 or b18a/b/c/c5, then there is no question that a 3" sri will make more power than a 2.5". 2.5" might create more velocity, but that's dependant on how much air the engine needs to ingest. if it's a b series motor (or dohc zc), 3" will create more velocity as it will ingest more air.
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i don't know about that. if it's a d16, then, yeah, 2.5" is o.k. but, it he owns a dohc zc or b16 or b18a/b/c/c5, then there is no question that a 3" sri will make more power than a 2.5". 2.5" might create more velocity, but that's dependant on how much air the engine needs to ingest. if it's a b series motor (or dohc zc), 3" will create more velocity as it will ingest more air.

for 1.6l motor 2.5" is optimal

for h22 and maybe b18c5 3" is better suited but for smalle motors the 2.5" is best

2.5" would make more velocity no doubt in any of the engines than 3"

but 3" on a larger engine might sufficate it but none the less the velocity would be always faster than a 3"
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Gee, I rememebr a long time ago, that I told people just to go with the cheapies........and I got a **** load of slack from some of you.


My, how times have changed.
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for 1.6l motor 2.5" is optimal
i have a jdm 2nd gen b16 w/ctr cams, skunk2 cam gears, p&p and milled head (11.4/1 c.r.), p&p intake manifold, 67mm t/b, 4-2-1 header with 2.5" collector, 2.5" mandrel exhaust, and hondata stage 2. i'm sorry to say, but, i've had a 2.5" cai on it and it made a bit more power at 4500rpm, anything above that, the 3" sri destroyed it. maybe you meant on 1.6L sohc, obd 3000, ultra low emission Honda's, a 2.5" intake is better. on any dohc b series motor that makes more than 120whp, a 3" will make more power, trust me. if a 2.5" intake is better, than why is the oem rubber piping for the stock air box on b16's and all b18's, 2.5"? think about it. if an engine has an increase in air demand, how would a smaller pipe create more velocity? if an enigne requires more air, it will ingest the increase of air much faster, therefore, increasing velocity. lastly, smaller diameter piping will run out of the ability to feed the motor during high rpm (vtec). as you accelerate, the demand for air volumes in the intake increase (more air means more fuel=more power). remember, engines are essentially, big air pumps. if more air is bad, then all engine builders would decrease port volumes, decrease compression ratios, reduce t/b diameters etc. no disrespect, but what you are saying is wrong. maybe you are talking about the diameter of charge pipes for turbo cars? 3" all day long.
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i have a jdm 2nd gen b16 w/ctr cams, skunk2 cam gears, p&p and milled head (11.4/1 c.r.), p&p intake manifold, 67mm t/b, 4-2-1 header with 2.5" collector, 2.5" mandrel exhaust, and hondata stage 2. i'm sorry to say, but, i've had a 2.5" cai on it and it made a bit more power at 4500rpm, anything above that, the 3" sri destroyed it. maybe you meant on 1.6L sohc, obd 3000, ultra low emission Honda's, a 2.5" intake is better. on any dohc b series motor that makes more than 120whp, a 3" will make more power, trust me. if a 2.5" intake is better, than why is the oem rubber piping for the stock air box on b16's and all b18's larger than 2.5"? think about it. if an engine has an increase in air demand, how would a smaller pipe create more velocity? if an enigne requires more air, it will ingest the increase of air much faster, therefore, increasing velocity. lastly, smaller diameter piping will run out of the ability to feed the motor during high rpm (vtec). as you accelerate, the demand for air volumes in the intake increase (more air means more fuel=more power). remember, engines are essentially, big air pumps. if more air is bad, then all engine builders would decrease port volumes, decrease compression ratios, reduce t/b diameters etc. no disrespect, but what you are saying is wrong. maybe you are talking about the diameter of charge pipes for turbo cars? 3" all day long.
And you are only putting out 180whp? I would figure you'd have more than that.


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i have a jdm 2nd gen b16 w/ctr cams, skunk2 cam gears, p&p and milled head (11.4/1 c.r.), p&p intake manifold, 67mm t/b, 4-2-1 header with 2.5" collector, 2.5" mandrel exhaust, and hondata stage 2. i'm sorry to say, but, i've had a 2.5" cai on it and it made a bit more power at 4500rpm, anything above that, the 3" sri destroyed it. maybe you meant on 1.6L sohc, obd 3000, ultra low emission Honda's, a 2.5" intake is better. on any dohc b series motor that makes more than 120whp, a 3" will make more power, trust me. if a 2.5" intake is better, than why is the oem rubber piping for the stock air box on b16's and all b18's larger than 2.5"? think about it. if an engine has an increase in air demand, how would a smaller pipe create more velocity? if an enigne requires more air, it will ingest the increase of air much faster, therefore, increasing velocity. lastly, smaller diameter piping will run out of the ability to feed the motor during high rpm (vtec). as you accelerate, the demand for air volumes in the intake increase (more air means more fuel=more power). remember, engines are essentially, big air pumps. if more air is bad, then all engine builders would decrease port volumes, decrease compression ratios, reduce t/b diameters etc. no disrespect, but what you are saying is wrong. maybe you are talking about the diameter of charge pipes for turbo cars? 3" all day long.
i love reading your responses there so funny

blah blah blah

given the same air consumption, 2.5" diamter pipeing will create more velocity than 3" nuff said

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Velocity don't mean **** if flow is not present!! The bigger the diameter of ur pipe..the more flow it will allow..ie amount of air! On a N/A setup...I would go 3" expecially if ur planning on doing other performance upgrades later. peace!
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