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Shifter question... Integra shifter? or civic shifter?

Old 29-Mar-2007, 04:46 PM
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Shifter question... Integra shifter? or civic shifter?

So i have a 92 EG hatch with
b18a and YS1 tranny.

i can only put it in 3rd gear if i do it slowly,
and definitely(like go up, move to the right exactly to the middle and push up) which takes me a long time to do,..

anyways the shifter just seems like it doesn't fit well, it's a short throw, so i was wondering if the previous owner put in civic shifter by an accident... but then again i don't know... if you do b18 swap, you're supposed to chainge the shifter to integra shifter too right?

and when shifter is in gear, shifter has LOTS of play, i looked underneath, the bolt that goes through the shfiter is twice the width of the shifter, can i fill that gap up with bunch of bushings? i mean i don't know how much play linkages are supposed to have, but it wasn't much, maybe 1mm each at each connection between links....

Lol i ended up throwing a bunch of questions... if you can answer any, please help me out.
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Old 29-Mar-2007, 05:12 PM
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i believe the civic shifter and the integra shifter are the same, i have a 'teg shifter in my eg and have no problem. it sounds to me like there is an issue with the shift linkages, or worn out shifter bushings
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Old 29-Mar-2007, 06:02 PM
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start out with installing sum bushings and not getting it in gear can be a mechanical problem
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Old 30-Mar-2007, 09:10 AM
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http://www.torontocivics.com/tccforu...hreadid=148805
Check that thread.
I got the Teg shifter and the Energy Suspension bushings, and it feels great!
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Old 01-Apr-2007, 10:58 AM
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Thanks for the input, i guess i'll try installing some new bushings
because the shfiter really slaps around a lot.
but Energy Suspension? is it what the company is called? Energy Suspension? or.. did u mean like Energy tranny bushings?
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Old 01-Apr-2007, 11:32 AM
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okay so i read couple DIYs regarding the sloppy shifter issue...
would i be better off getting OEM? or ES?

the symptom is that shifter is sloppy, doesn't really shake or bounce around when driving but when it's in gear, it's got tons of side to side movements.

When i had the car on the hoist, i checked the linkages, every linkages had about like 1mm of play, but then again i'm not sure how tight they're supposed to be.

The funny part was this;
The part that hooks directly onto the bottom of the shifter, that
U looking thing, is twice as wide as the actual bottom of the shifter and the shifter just glides side to side... which got me a bit confused, i'm going to try sticking spacers on both side so shifter its rite in the middle with no dramatic play... if that doesn't work, what should i go with?

ES? or OEM?
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ok shifter LINKAGE is diff't between the B series and D series. the shifter itself is interchangable. some people also modify the shift linkage... so determine what you have first, or just go out and find the proper linkage first, then install it fresh with some nice OEM or ES hardware... and if the problem persists, then the damage could be internal to the tranny (shifter forks perhaps)

SHORT THROW SHIFTER / STABILIZER INATALL



Obviously, you need to pick out a shifter. There are several manufacturers producing short shifters such as Neuspeed, Hurst, and B&M to name a few. Most manufacturers are the same with a few exceptions. B&M's short shifter probably has the shortest throw. The "typical" shifters will all have identical throws. I personally recommend staying away from adjustable fulcrum shifters. Since the installation of a shift stabilizer is I've only made comments about when to install within the write-up. Now for the install...

Tools Necessary:

reliable socket set
metric wrenches
jack and jack stands
screw driver
Vice Grips
1/4" or 8mm punch

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This process works for any Honda or Acura that uses a rod shifter. This would be the best time to install a shift stabilizer if available.

Start by removing the shift ****:

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift03.JPG

Once the shift **** is off, you will need to remove the center console. The only difference between installing a short shifter in a '88 civic, '95 civic, '98 Integra, or a '00 civic is the way the center console is removed. Usually, it is very self explanatory. After the console is removed, each rod shifter honda is the same. The pictures are from my '94 Si.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift04.JPG

With the center console out of the way, pull back the weather seal.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift05.JPG

Under the car, you need to remove the rear shifter mount. Remove the two bolts with a 12mm socket.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift06.JPG

Up at the front, you need to remove the bolt that holds the front of the shifter rod with a 12mm box wrench. Energy suspension's shift stabilizer pictured.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift09.JPG
http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift10.JPG

At this point, you need to determine if you want to completely remove the shift linkage from the car. It isn't necessary, but it is easier if you pull it all out. If you do not want to remove all of the linkage, skip to removing the bolt that attaches the shifter to the shift rod.

First, pull back the rubber boot and pull off the small sleeve.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift11.JPG

With the sleeve out of the way, use a 1/4" punch (or an 8mm punch) to remove the pin that attaches the shift rod to the transmission.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift13.JPG

If you did not remove all of the shift linkage from the car, you will need to remove the bolt on the bottom of the shifter with 12mm wrenches. With the bolt out, you will need to remove the shifter and the rod on which the shifter pivots.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift16.JPG

At this point, you will need to remove the two bolts that retain the shifter. It will be necessary to use vice grips to hold the top of the bolts.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift18.JPG
http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift20.JPG


Pull off the pivot retainer hardware.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift21.JPG

Lube up the new shifter and slide on the shifter pivot hardware. This is a pain, so be patient.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift23.JPG


Bolt the new shifter and hardware to the shift linkage.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift24.JPG

At this point, you need to slip the linkage and shifter back into the car (if you didn't remove all of it) or attach the other shift rod to the bottom of the shifter.

In the case of B&M shifters, you need to use the supplied o-rings to fill the space shown below. The left picture is from a civic. This shift linkage requires the use of two o-rings. The right picture is of an Integra or 6th gen Civic Si linkage. This requires all of the supplied o-rings.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift25.JPG

Slip the shift linkage back into the car (if you took it all out) and attach the linkage to the output on the transmission and attach the shift linkage with the bushing to the side of the transmission.

The bolt the rear bushing to the chassis

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift26.JPG

Inside the car, pull the weather seal over the hole in the chassis.

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift29.JPG

Install your shift **** of choice!

http://importnut.net/article/shifter...ortshift31.JPG

This installation is relatively easy. If you are planning on installing a shift stabilizer, this is the best time to do so since everything is out and easy to access.
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reason I posted that is so you have access to pictures that show how it SHOULD look.
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Old 01-Apr-2007, 12:08 PM
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thx a ton bbarbulo gives me whole lot clearer idea... lol
i guess my linkage is different. My 3rd gear does work, its just that
before i switch from 2nd to 3rd, i have to push all the way to the right, shake it off a bit, stick it into 3rd all the way and let go of the clutch lol.

anyways thanks a ton i guess i'll see where the real problem is on tuesday when i go back to auto class
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ok I hope you can figure out why your linkage is hacked and maybe make it right using the correct parts. I like seeing good work done on neglected cars... that's why I'm here to help.
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