zeeman

iTrader: (1)

oh man, happy in pants is all i can say.
I don't know what i'm gunna do with the hatch, but i'd prolly rather have the coupe as my DD, power windows/doors and a sunroof is so nice for DD, especially considering it doesn't have a/c anymore.
Who knows what i'll do, we'll see when the time comes.

chris_si98

if you boost the stock d15.. i'd laugh at you.

But I agree.. even though that thing is ugly, i'd boost it. it'd be a nice sleeper. i thought it was automatic? no?

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

no its 5-spd.
I'd rather not boost a d....you know how useless that is.
Boosted LSvtec...mmm.
I've got enough spare b-series parts kickin around i'm sure i could get something together for that car.
The PRX guy also said i could have his PRX shell for my track car if i found him an EG hatch shell to put his engine/turbo stuff in. That would make a perfect track car, its gutted, has a roll cage, and stiff *** suspension.

chris_si98

yeah and a interior that gives you major headaches LOL.


I suppose you'd gut the interior though if it was a track car. Why not part out the wifes eg? and trade the shell's?

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

meh, too much work....plus he wants an SI.
The wifes hatch's body is in decent shape at least.
That PRX's outside is a nightmare, and the bondo falls off the car while driving due to to stiff *** engine mounts.
I'd rather just sell the PRX (if i wasn't going to use it for a track car) and use the money for the wifes hatch.
Enough whoring...whory McGee.

chris_si98

i want some freakin mcChickens lenny.

imported_2join performance

Valvetrain kits are only recommended with stage 2 cams. So if he goes with a stage 1 cam, he will not need it. However, I would still recommend at least a stage 2 cam if he wants decent gains.

He can get some Blox cams, which are identical to Skunk2's, and are also quite a bit cheaper.

Boost would be nice, but if its his daily driver, a $1000-$1500 budget will only restrict him in 2 ways. One, he will undermine the reliability of his car. Or two, he will spend the next year gathering parts because he has to find a good deal in order to meet the budget.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

Blox cams are still $500CDN new...ETD racing had a special on them a while back, and that was their sale price.
Stage 1 cams IMO aren't worth the money, just get some used ITRs they'll give you basically the same amount of power and you can pick them up for about $300-400. You don't NEED to upgrade the valve springs/retainers with ITR cams, but if you wanna rev past the stock rev limit, its a damn good idea.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

come to the hammer karl, you're always welcome here.

imported_littleyellow

thanks for all the info.
hahah I do want to rev up pass 8000 and still have power gain,. that's way 8500. I love to see it rev up. By the way I still want stick with N/A
so, boot it will not be my option, although that I know it will make hell of difference.
I do want to get stage 2 Cam, but will it ruin my fuel consumption.
and by getting ITR cam, what's the equivlent gain? equivalent to stage one?
I believe both stage 1 and 2 have stock idle characteristic right?
I do want to do a CAM job.
so if you say, cam will be 500, valve train will be around 400
and installation is about 300? that still with my budget.
beside, if I Can get reasonably gain, I won't mind spend a bit more

LEt's say, what's the gain by just getting a pair of ITR cam.
else
with stage 1 cam
and
with stage 2 cam and valve train.
I have seems number from the aftermarket company, but I don't think they are reliable.
thanks

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

bottom line is...if you're making more power, you're using more fuel.
I've got stage 2 cams in my b16 and my gas mileage hasn't decreased at all....unless you've got a heavy foot.
All stage 1 cams will idle like stock b/c they have stock primary/secondary lobes and larger vtec lobes.
Some stage 2 cams have larger than stock primary/secondary lobes, but others don't, and just have larger vtec lobes.
Even cams with larger primary/secondary lobes can idle fine, it will just take a little more tuning. My cams have larger primary/secondary lobes and other people i've talked to said their idle was a little rough (with these same cams), but my car idles mint. Although, i've got lots and lots of tuning done to my car b/c i do it all myself with crome.
You won't get the most you can out of a set of cams unless you've got all of the bolt-ons and the engine can breathe the best it can.

imported_littleyellow

hot much gain will get get out of for just getting a pair of ITR cam

Nova_Dust

The "gains" will be different from car to car, cause if you can't tune right, numbers don't mean much anymore. If you want a set of cams that can make power pass 8000, then saving fuel is out of the question, unless you stay under 3000 rpm all the time.

VTEC_Thunder

There is no set gain value tacked on to each specific mod you do. When it comes down to it, tuning is the key. Anyone can swap in a set of cams and valve springs & retainers...but if it not tuned right, you might as well leave it stock. Sure you may see a gain right off the bat....but the true potential is brought out through tuning the engine to make use of the mods. (like adjusting the fuel/ignition maps to match the new cams).

imported_littleyellow

thanks for the info,
a tunning is definitely the key, I got it.
but if it can be tuned properly, what's the protential for a b16a2 to have a set of ITR CAMS,
I was thinking go aftermarket, but the fuel thing will definitly kill me on it.
I might get a reasonable good header along with ITR cams and tune ti right for the summer
thanks guys

imported_InVaDeR_HB

sell your b16 and buy a GSR...... u can keep all parts (mounts linkage, tranny etc) just sell the the motor itself....then with the money you make from selling the b16 ($900 maybe) add it to the $1500 you have and buy a GSR ($1500-$2000) or even ITR engine($2000-$3000).....easiest way to get the gain you want, no head achs and OEM reliability!!!

if you go GSR $900+$1500 = $2400 enough to buy motor and even pay someone to install if you are not able to yourself......

Plus both are better platfroms to build on, GSR if u want boost or build the block later on, and ITR if you just want to add bolt-ons (N/A)


Just my opinion,
goodluck

imported_littleyellow

good suggestion~~I jkind like it,
just don't know where I Can sell my motor to.
because I won't be able to do the labour my self.

imported_InVaDeR_HB

post it in the FS threads, theres a complete JDM GSR for $1750 right now too