the right compression, suggestion please
Currently I have a B18c5 USDM. I am about to build it at this moment and ready for the up-coming summer
I've purchased Skunk2 Pro1 + valvetrain + High CP valves + milled head but very little, maybe 0.10 or , 0.20 I might decide not to install those valves because I heard people have/had diffculties to make them to fit properly. My concern is, should I install JDM B16 pistons or B16B pistons for the right compression to run those cams properly or any other suggestion for this build. |
if you're head is milled .020" then your CR is already about 11.4:1.
Why put different pistons in? With p30s you'll be close to 12:1 which IMO is high enough for a street car. With CTRs your CR will be through the roof and too high for a street car IMO. What ever you decide to do, make sure to use at least 1 step colder of a spark plug and make sure the tuning is really solid. From what i hear from friends who have S2P1's you might not like the idle, especially before it fully warms up. But they make nice power through out the rpms. |
ok thank you, I've calculated, my CP with B16 JDM should be around 11.8:1, should I guess it should be fine?
and what do you mean make sure to use at least 1 step colder of a spark plug, Im sorry still a Noob. |
you'll want a colder spark plug, stock is BKR6E, so you'll want BKR7E (NGK's part number for the BKR7E is #6097)
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ok, thanks very much, I will also change some APR rod bolts and bearings as well...anymore suggestion?
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make sure to have the big ends of the rods resized after installing the ARP rod bolts.
And if you're buying new pistons, get oversized pistons and bore/hone. I'd go 81.50mm personally. |
I won't be taking out the block, so...I don't think I will be bore/hone out.
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oh, well i feel sorry for the person who has to do the assembly, b/c plastiguaging bearing clearances with the engine in the car would be almost impossible. And thats a step that i would definately NOT skip.
I'm not saying swapping pistons with the block in the car is impossible, but definately a lot harder than when its out of the car. |
Ic, ok, If the block is out, u will definitly bore/hone and install oversize pistons right
how much does it usually cost and how long does it usually take |
bore/hone at the machine shop i use is $120. Its usually ready next day.
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very nice, can you please give me a hand on that? let me know which shop so I can send the block to them?
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its a shop here in hamilton called athenia machine.
I'm pretty sure thats close to the standard rate at most machine shops. I'm sure theres a machine shop closer to you (i'm assuming you're in the GTA), Gord Bush comes to mind, give him a call and see what his bore/hone rate is. |
120 bore/hone is a good price. GB quoted me 250 - bore/hone and decking.
GB is definitely one of your choice when it comes to machine work. |
$120 for a bore and hone? wow...we used to charge $200 for a bore and fit, extra for a pro finish. do they bore off the mains or off the oil pan? thats damn cheap.
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they bore off the mains torqued down.
I figure i've found a jem of a machine shop, and its local, like 10 minutes from my house....he's got great prices, fast and reliable work. I've been using him over gord bush for a while now, i almost crapped myself when he told me how much it'd be to balance the rotating assembly. Only thing he's missing is a flow bench.....hurry up and get urs done steve...lol. |
ya that is in the near future...
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the big primaries of the P1 will bleed off a bit of that calculated compression. i honestly believe a smaller cam is better for 1.8L. actually, 90% of the cams we've used over the last 2-3 years are all too big. i've recently divorced my P1's for Jun3. i personally prefer Blox B's, Crower stg2, Jun3 & BC4. and even then, those are probably all too big for a 1.8, but, they are my personal favourites. all of the cams (with the exception of the Crower) need 12.5/1 c.r for optimum performance. lastly PCT's are the worst piston in the Honda line up.
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did you put the Jun3's in yet?
How does it feel compared to the S2P1's? I agree about the CTR pistons, i'd never personally use them in an engine i build. |
Originally posted by zeeman did you put the Jun3's in yet? How does it feel compared to the S2P1's? I agree about the CTR pistons, i'd never personally use them in an engine i build. |
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