Preferred Swap H22 or B18C1
06-Aug-2003, 08:18 PM
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Preferred Swap H22 or B18C1
What do you guys think is a better swap into my 95 Si.... B18C1 or H22? I'm leaning towards the H22 but I've heard that I'll have to lose my power steering.
Also, I've found all different HP and torque ratings for these motors online. What are the values for each for a JDM motor? And what is a reasonable price for these swaps?
thanks
Also, I've found all different HP and torque ratings for these motors online. What are the values for each for a JDM motor? And what is a reasonable price for these swaps?
thanks
07-Aug-2003, 12:17 AM
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the only trouble you'll have with an h22 is lack of traction.... some mounting kits allow you to keep p/s with an h22 as well.... but it basically comes down to.... going super fast in a striaght line... or going really fast and still be able to corner too as good as now
also for an h22 you have to beef up the front suspension to handle the weight too.... you could just spend the extra money for an h22 and get a b18c1 and get some basic bolt ons and be happy that way
also for an h22 you have to beef up the front suspension to handle the weight too.... you could just spend the extra money for an h22 and get a b18c1 and get some basic bolt ons and be happy that way
07-Aug-2003, 01:04 PM
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the reason I say sell your car is because a cx hatch is 200 lbs lighter than an si... if not more... if you want to go fast, that 200lbs is a lot. trust me. I have raced a car that was 200lbs lighter than me, and I know I am making more power, but he was able to keep up with me just because of the weight... now if I were 200lbs lighter, I would have romped on him.
07-Aug-2003, 11:14 PM
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p/s takes power less belt driven add ons the better no ac no ps is good...i have jdm gsr in cx hatch...no ps no ac....i love it...h22 will move u...dun worry about wieght distribution just throw battery in trunk...yea yea i know its illegal...who cares...upgrade ur suspension and ur done...depends on what u want out of it in the end.....u wanna pop buddy at the lights..h22...bang for buck...
i liek my gsr (sir-g)...great all around
i liek my gsr (sir-g)...great all around
08-Aug-2003, 12:46 AM
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Thanks for all the posts guys... I think I'll go with the B18C if I do go through with the swap. But I'm starting to second guess the swap since I'm trying to see if it'll be a problem with insurance. Don't want my rates to sky rocket or coverage to be canceled but insurance isn't giving me a straight answer.
I called them to see what they would think ahead of time so I wouldn't have any surprises later. The answer they gave me was to bring the car in AFTER the swap for an evaluation and then they would determine what they would do. Can you beleive that???? They couldn't even give me a straight answer before the work...... All I wanted to know was if they would cover me or not.... Anyone input or experiences with that?
I called them to see what they would think ahead of time so I wouldn't have any surprises later. The answer they gave me was to bring the car in AFTER the swap for an evaluation and then they would determine what they would do. Can you beleive that???? They couldn't even give me a straight answer before the work...... All I wanted to know was if they would cover me or not.... Anyone input or experiences with that?
08-Aug-2003, 03:08 AM
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H22 - all the way 
A lot of attention is lavished on Honda's ubiquitous B-series engines. Different configurations of B16 and B18 four bangers constitute the majority of the Honda aftermarket. The engine is Honda's equivalent of the Chevrolet small block "mouse" motor: Robust, powerful, and everywhere.
If the B is the mouse motor, the H series must be the "rat" motor. Found under the hoods of Preludes since 1992, the biggest difference between the H and B engines is sheer size. The H22 and its non-VTEC stable mate, the H23, are bigger in every dimension, with bigger bore sizes, longer strokes, bigger dimensions, bigger valves...just about everything.
The most important size difference may be the torque numbers. The Integra GS-R's B18C has a torque output of only 128 lb-ft of torque at a lofty 6200 rpm. By contrast, the H22A found under the hood of the recently departed Prelude pumped out 156 lb-ft at a lower 5250 rpm. This number and engine speed difference make the H-series engines more tractable on the street, with on-demand torque, unlike the peaky B series.
A lot of attention is lavished on Honda's ubiquitous B-series engines. Different configurations of B16 and B18 four bangers constitute the majority of the Honda aftermarket. The engine is Honda's equivalent of the Chevrolet small block "mouse" motor: Robust, powerful, and everywhere.
If the B is the mouse motor, the H series must be the "rat" motor. Found under the hoods of Preludes since 1992, the biggest difference between the H and B engines is sheer size. The H22 and its non-VTEC stable mate, the H23, are bigger in every dimension, with bigger bore sizes, longer strokes, bigger dimensions, bigger valves...just about everything.
The most important size difference may be the torque numbers. The Integra GS-R's B18C has a torque output of only 128 lb-ft of torque at a lofty 6200 rpm. By contrast, the H22A found under the hood of the recently departed Prelude pumped out 156 lb-ft at a lower 5250 rpm. This number and engine speed difference make the H-series engines more tractable on the street, with on-demand torque, unlike the peaky B series.
08-Aug-2003, 01:22 PM
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Geeze, ppl that say the H22 is too heavy are morons. Mine is sittin on a stock suspension and it feels almost normal.. It weights 60lbs more than a B series engine.. Think about it! Common sense!
Wanna see how it sits, go to http://photos.yahoo.com/zooms2003 , click on 93 si and see..
You have power all the time with an h22. doesn't matter what gear, what rpm, u give it and it goes..
Wanna see how it sits, go to http://photos.yahoo.com/zooms2003 , click on 93 si and see..
You have power all the time with an h22. doesn't matter what gear, what rpm, u give it and it goes..
08-Aug-2003, 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by blk93si
H22 - all the way
A lot of attention is lavished on Honda's ubiquitous B-series engines. Different configurations of B16 and B18 four bangers constitute the majority of the Honda aftermarket. The engine is Honda's equivalent of the Chevrolet small block "mouse" motor: Robust, powerful, and everywhere.
If the B is the mouse motor, the H series must be the "rat" motor. Found under the hoods of Preludes since 1992, the biggest difference between the H and B engines is sheer size. The H22 and its non-VTEC stable mate, the H23, are bigger in every dimension, with bigger bore sizes, longer strokes, bigger dimensions, bigger valves...just about everything.
The most important size difference may be the torque numbers. The Integra GS-R's B18C has a torque output of only 128 lb-ft of torque at a lofty 6200 rpm. By contrast, the H22A found under the hood of the recently departed Prelude pumped out 156 lb-ft at a lower 5250 rpm. This number and engine speed difference make the H-series engines more tractable on the street, with on-demand torque, unlike the peaky B series.
H22 - all the way
A lot of attention is lavished on Honda's ubiquitous B-series engines. Different configurations of B16 and B18 four bangers constitute the majority of the Honda aftermarket. The engine is Honda's equivalent of the Chevrolet small block "mouse" motor: Robust, powerful, and everywhere.
If the B is the mouse motor, the H series must be the "rat" motor. Found under the hoods of Preludes since 1992, the biggest difference between the H and B engines is sheer size. The H22 and its non-VTEC stable mate, the H23, are bigger in every dimension, with bigger bore sizes, longer strokes, bigger dimensions, bigger valves...just about everything.
The most important size difference may be the torque numbers. The Integra GS-R's B18C has a torque output of only 128 lb-ft of torque at a lofty 6200 rpm. By contrast, the H22A found under the hood of the recently departed Prelude pumped out 156 lb-ft at a lower 5250 rpm. This number and engine speed difference make the H-series engines more tractable on the street, with on-demand torque, unlike the peaky B series.
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08-Aug-2003, 02:07 PM
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My $0.02
If you want to go fast...............
Sell the car, get a 2g AWD DSM, swap out the motor, put in a 1g JDM 6 bolt, throw on a MUTT (if anyone remembers these turbos
), get a new fuel pump, electronics, greddy type S bov, FMIC, make a boost controller, throw on an injen intake, custom make a 3" exhaust, complete including o2 porting and exhaust manifold porting.
hehe I'm just jokin around. In about a year I'm going to look for another DSM. 1999 GSX, im just trying to narrow down the colour. I'm WAY too bored this afternoon at work.
Your car won't be FAST with a B or H series swap. It will be quick, there is a difference. Best of luck, for your application a GSR would be good enough. And always remember the power to weight ratio!!!!
If you want to go fast...............
Sell the car, get a 2g AWD DSM, swap out the motor, put in a 1g JDM 6 bolt, throw on a MUTT (if anyone remembers these turbos
), get a new fuel pump, electronics, greddy type S bov, FMIC, make a boost controller, throw on an injen intake, custom make a 3" exhaust, complete including o2 porting and exhaust manifold porting.hehe I'm just jokin around. In about a year I'm going to look for another DSM. 1999 GSX, im just trying to narrow down the colour. I'm WAY too bored this afternoon at work.
Your car won't be FAST with a B or H series swap. It will be quick, there is a difference. Best of luck, for your application a GSR would be good enough. And always remember the power to weight ratio!!!!
08-Aug-2003, 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by blk93si
H22 - all the way
A lot of attention is lavished on Honda's ubiquitous B-series engines. Different configurations of B16 and B18 four bangers constitute the majority of the Honda aftermarket. The engine is Honda's equivalent of the Chevrolet small block "mouse" motor: Robust, powerful, and everywhere.
If the B is the mouse motor, the H series must be the "rat" motor. Found under the hoods of Preludes since 1992, the biggest difference between the H and B engines is sheer size. The H22 and its non-VTEC stable mate, the H23, are bigger in every dimension, with bigger bore sizes, longer strokes, bigger dimensions, bigger valves...just about everything.
The most important size difference may be the torque numbers. The Integra GS-R's B18C has a torque output of only 128 lb-ft of torque at a lofty 6200 rpm. By contrast, the H22A found under the hood of the recently departed Prelude pumped out 156 lb-ft at a lower 5250 rpm. This number and engine speed difference make the H-series engines more tractable on the street, with on-demand torque, unlike the peaky B series.
H22 - all the way
A lot of attention is lavished on Honda's ubiquitous B-series engines. Different configurations of B16 and B18 four bangers constitute the majority of the Honda aftermarket. The engine is Honda's equivalent of the Chevrolet small block "mouse" motor: Robust, powerful, and everywhere.
If the B is the mouse motor, the H series must be the "rat" motor. Found under the hoods of Preludes since 1992, the biggest difference between the H and B engines is sheer size. The H22 and its non-VTEC stable mate, the H23, are bigger in every dimension, with bigger bore sizes, longer strokes, bigger dimensions, bigger valves...just about everything.
The most important size difference may be the torque numbers. The Integra GS-R's B18C has a torque output of only 128 lb-ft of torque at a lofty 6200 rpm. By contrast, the H22A found under the hood of the recently departed Prelude pumped out 156 lb-ft at a lower 5250 rpm. This number and engine speed difference make the H-series engines more tractable on the street, with on-demand torque, unlike the peaky B series.
that's straight from honda tuning
