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Old 08-Sep-2007, 01:54 PM
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opinions/comments/help! on my setup

ok guyz heres my plan by the end of the winter so i need opinions, comments and places to get this all installed + tuned/dyno'd
my car is a 00 civic sir b16a2 and i wanna rev to around 9000rpm lol

k here we go

skunk2 intake manifold
skunk2 68mm throttle body
skunk2 pro 1 cams
skunk2 pro series cam gears
skunk2 hi rev valve springs
skunk2 titanium retainers
skunk2 valves (hi compression or std?)
skunk2 dual bend short shifter
wesico pistons maybe? je?
megan 4-1 header
magnaflow hi flow cat
apexi n1 catback
aem v2 intake
stage 1 clutch
7.5 lb flywheel


anything else im gonna need? or i should change? some of this stuff i have installed already ill list that below so those i wont change till the whole setup is done then i can worry about changing it if need be but maybe i need injectors or sumthin?

info + comments + whp guess' + 1/4 time guess' please!
i really need a good place to install all this and tune it so i need that too its hard finding a place lol



stuff already on the car running a 15.1
aem v2 intake
stage 1 clutch
7.5lb flywheel
megan 4-1 header
magnaflow hi flow cat
apexi n1 catback
skunk2 dual bend short shifter (about to install it)

i really need advice and help with this guyz so thanks in advance!!
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ur gunna need pretty high compression and LOTS of headwork to make those cams work well, personally, in my opinion, they're too big for a b16. Any decent n/a setup NEEDS a solid port and polish and a good valve job.
I'd also say ditch the megan header for something better, a good header is also very important (and too often overlooked) when building a n/a setup.
I would also stay away from the skunk2 intake manifold and too big of a throttle body, that will kill any low end power you might have out of the 1.6L.....IMO a 68mm throttle body is overkill.
This is just from my experience, from building my b16 for n/a....if i could pass on one peice of advice.....is....DON'T DO IT!!!!!
Do a b20 bottom end, or build a nice lsvtec....or better yet.....BOOST.
The money you'd spend on all of the parts to build a n/a b16 could easily buy you a decent turbo kit and would get you soooo much more bang for the buck. Again, talking from experience here. I love my boosted b16, i kept all of the goodies from my n/a build (11.5:1 compression and all) and put a turbo on it, man, i should have done that in the first place.
I don't wanna hear any of this turbo cars aren't reliable bull, b/c its not true. I've tuned literally dozens of turbo hondas this summer and they're all as reliable as any n/a setup, i've seen n/a cars that are less reliable than most turbo cars.
8-10psi on a decent t3/t4 with a free flowing exhaust on a b16 will get you 250+whp easy. If you wanted to turn up the boost a little 300whp isn't that hard to hit.
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ur gunna need pretty high compression and LOTS of headwork to make those cams work well, personally, in my opinion, they're too big for a b16. Any decent n/a setup NEEDS a solid port and polish and a good valve job.
I'd also say ditch the megan header for something better, a good header is also very important (and too often overlooked) when building a n/a setup.
I would also stay away from the skunk2 intake manifold and too big of a throttle body, that will kill any low end power you might have out of the 1.6L.....IMO a 68mm throttle body is overkill.
This is just from my experience, from building my b16 for n/a....if i could pass on one peice of advice.....is....DON'T DO IT!!!!!
Do a b20 bottom end, or build a nice lsvtec....or better yet.....BOOST.
The money you'd spend on all of the parts to build a n/a b16 could easily buy you a decent turbo kit and would get you soooo much more bang for the buck. Again, talking from experience here. I love my boosted b16, i kept all of the goodies from my n/a build (11.5:1 compression and all) and put a turbo on it, man, i should have done that in the first place.
I don't wanna hear any of this turbo cars aren't reliable bull, b/c its not true. I've tuned literally dozens of turbo hondas this summer and they're all as reliable as any n/a setup, i've seen n/a cars that are less reliable than most turbo cars.
8-10psi on a decent t3/t4 with a free flowing exhaust on a b16 will get you 250+whp easy. If you wanted to turn up the boost a little 300whp isn't that hard to hit.

well what kinda turbo kit should i run then????

why stay away from the skunk2 intake manifold? i hear good things?
and what size tb would u recomend then?

and the pro 1 is close to a stage 2...

im looking to spend around 3000 to 3500, with everything installed tuned i can get all the skunk2 stuff i said installed and tuned for about that now i dont know anything about turbo's but i wouldnt be able to run 8-10 lbs on a stock engine?
and the header is fine for now i will upgrade it later on

if i was to turbo it what kinda engine internals would i need? this meaning id be keeping my b16 bottom end and not upgradingh to a b20
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boost a stock b16 with a t3/t4 50 or 57 trim.

I'm not a fan of the skunk2 intake manifold and for most cases an ITR manifold and throttle body is more than sufficient.
A bigger throttle body will rob low end power. I'm using a 64mm bored b16 throttle body on my setup and lost 2 ft/lbs of torque after switching to it.....and every ft/lb counts on a n/a build.

Any engine can handle 8-10psi. But thats all relative to the size of the turbo, 10psi off a t3/t4 50 trim with .50 A/R is a lot different than 10psi off a GT35R with .80 A/R.
Personally, i'd run a smaller turbo with a little higher boost. I'm running a bigger turbo with less boost, but my case is different, i didn't really get to choose the parts, i was given them from someones setup, so i couldn't be picky.
I've got a GT3255E with .63 A/R (60 trim, i think) so it spools slow, but the power at 8000-8500 is amazing. Its basically a large(er/ish) t3/t4 (too big for a b16 IMO, but splitfire seemed to think this was a good turbo for my buddys setup) that starts to spool at 4000rpm and reaches full boost (8psi right now) by 4500-4800rpms and holds STRONG until 8500rpms (prolly higher, its a decent sized turbo).
My engine is a b16 with roughly 11.5:1 compression stage 2 cams, yadda yadda, but stock, bone stock bottom end. Its held up fine for the time i've abused it.
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so u raised ur redline? thats safe? lol

and since i duno much bout turbo's whats the best company to go with? garrett? greddy? turbonetics?
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if i decide to go N/A would pro 1's or stage 2 cams be better?
and would 9000rpm be an option or would it be useless?
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well i've got dual valve springs and titanium retainers to match the cams and my heads been ported, so i'm not worried.
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Originally posted by zeeman
well i've got dual valve springs and titanium retainers to match the cams and my heads been ported, so i'm not worried.
oh yea u said that lol duh...

question tho, im gonna swap out my block to a b20, so which is better b20b or b20z? and why?

and how much hp does a stock b20vtec make? more or less then a stock b16?
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how much power do you want to make and how much can you realisticly spend?
For a IM look at AEBS and BLOX there almost identical to the skunk2 IM but cheaper as well ive herd of sk2 TB's sticking, professional products (AEBS) make TB's and ive never heard of them sticking.
you can get the AEBS IM and TB for probally what that sk2 IM would cost. check HT.
And of course Boost that B16.
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OK...

Zeeman, throughout the next few years I'm going to build the most kick-*** street driven NA tuned B16A2 on ITB's just to spite you!!!

It will have the stock bottom end and displacement, and cheap header and oh yeah did I mention....individual throttle bodies?!!! LOL...
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OK...

Zeeman, throughout the next few years I'm going to build the most kick-*** street driven NA tuned B16A2 on ITB's just to spite you!!!

It will have the stock bottom end and displacement, and cheap header and oh yeah did I mention....individual throttle bodies?!!! LOL...

...slow clap.....
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