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whitesi 01-Oct-2005 10:41 PM


Originally posted by Team Rukus


actually there is a higher chance of the car having its milage been on the "jenny craig" diet with what you just said now.

if you bought it at 59k that is basically telling me it was on a lease and it just came off it. but that doesnt necessarily mean it only had 59k for all you and I know it could have over 100k at that point but then was rolled back to 59 just so the person who owned it previoulsy didnt have to pay the penalty. Having records wont prove anything as they are records from Honda services only. If I were to get my car driven over the maximum amount of km's allowed before penalty I would have the car serviced locally and then then bring the car in with rolled km's and no one will know. only way to properly check for that would be wear and tear items that have been ordered for that car, condition of the car, and date's for the oil changes etc...


also when I was working at Honda we would get people comming in and complaining about the engine burning oil on manual cars especially and we would tell them that reving over 3500rpm between shifts would start burning a little oil. and after accumulation it would be alot between oil changes.




I dont doubt what you are saying, as its always possible, but this was not off lease I know that, and I bought it in 2001, likelyhood of it being a 2year lease?????????????/ Also car was in mint condition when I bought it, body condition, seats. What I was told was to look at the wear and tear on the pedal covers and that is a good indication if the km's are authentic. But I have no doubts about it being original km's, all service records are detailed with each oil change, all service done at the one dealer. Whats the likelihood that the original owner opened up the cluster and tampered with km's at every oil change?????????and type 4 service done at 54,000 km and 4months later at 59,000 km I had the car............... You can tell by analyzing a car, whether it has 150k or 50k.....this car was brand new in and out.

Now you mentioned revving over 3500 causes burning.........which is okay with me, but isnt that when vtec kicks in................I'm just worried if there is a problem with my car. I dont think its normal to burn the amount I'm burning..

Usually before I pull the revs first thing in the morning or so, I ensure the temperature needle is at half way.......is that a good enough indication that the engine is at operating temp, or would you recommend something like 15minutes of drive before pulling the gears?????

imported_Cablerat 01-Oct-2005 11:24 PM


Originally posted by whitesi



I will get that test done, so after the test is done, is there some kind of solution to recitfy the issue, like a repair, or is this test just for my knowledge?

Well, your original request was to find out where you oil was dissappearing. There's no simple way to rectify the issue, aside from engine rebuild or replacement.

Doing a leakdown test will help to figure out the area of problem within the engine, then it's up to you if you want to do anything about it. My suggestion, if the results do show an engine burning significant oil due to bad seals or rings, start using 10w-30 even through winter. In the summer use 20w-50.. I can't imagine gas mileage being affected as some people have said. In the longer term, start planning for an engine replacement, OR sell the car.

whitesi 01-Oct-2005 11:51 PM

Thanks for your valuable input everybody........as suggested I'll get a leakdown test done..........I hope there is a small leak somewhere to justify the oil disappearing, if not then I would be really puzzled at how at 100k my engine could be wearing out, when I know many people who are at 300k and they drive there car much harder then myself and they're engine is fine.....anyways, I'll let you guys know what Honda says.

Thanks again

imported_winner007 05-Oct-2005 04:24 PM

Every Honda with v-tec burns a little oil. If your motor is old it burns a little. My car does that. I added oil like once a week or once every 2 weeks. There is no sign of smoke or leak, but if it's not leaking it's got to be burning it for sure. When your car is on the load like going uphill especially, get a friend to go behind u, i bet u can see oil. U can do that too in neutral and tell a friend behind to watch the tailpipe. U rev it a little in the car. Like up and down then your friend should see a little bit of oil. If u have automatic u can put it in D with foot on the brake too and press the accelerator pedal too. Get a friend to check. That's a good way.

But 106.000km already burning oil? U beat the car a lot?

pwllam 06-Oct-2005 02:21 PM

Maybe you should try putting in a bottle of that lucas oil stabilizer stuff in your oil next time u do an oil change. It definitely reduced oil burning in my dad's oil car.

whitesi 06-Oct-2005 10:07 PM


Originally posted by winner007
Every Honda with v-tec burns a little oil. If your motor is old it burns a little. My car does that. I added oil like once a week or once every 2 weeks. There is no sign of smoke or leak, but if it's not leaking it's got to be burning it for sure. When your car is on the load like going uphill especially, get a friend to go behind u, i bet u can see oil. U can do that too in neutral and tell a friend behind to watch the tailpipe. U rev it a little in the car. Like up and down then your friend should see a little bit of oil. If u have automatic u can put it in D with foot on the brake too and press the accelerator pedal too. Get a friend to check. That's a good way.

But 106.000km already burning oil? U beat the car a lot?

when you say beat the car alot what are you referring to???? LIke a really maintain it, all shedule maintenance, dont drive off when its cold........but I do pull the gears like all the way 6500 rpm when I feel like it, not like everyday all the time...

whitesi 06-Oct-2005 10:07 PM


Originally posted by pwllam
Maybe you should try putting in a bottle of that lucas oil stabilizer stuff in your oil next time u do an oil change. It definitely reduced oil burning in my dad's oil car.
I'm actually going to try that, others have told me of that too, but I'm also going to try that seafoam stuff everyone is talking about, anybody if that will do anygood for the oil burning?

imported_LasenzaBoy 07-Oct-2005 10:23 PM

A few things i would do would be:
:definitely do a compression test both wet and dry and leakdown
:at that mileage you may need to change the valve seals
:use lucas oil stabilizer with 10w30. lucas is great.
:change the oil at least every 3500km max. People don't change
their oil frequently enough.

imported_winner007 08-Oct-2005 09:06 AM

What i mean is that if u rev around 5000-6000rpm on the highway and u rip it sometimes, it does burn oil. My car does that too, but u can't see the smoke. If it burns oil, try putting some thicker oil like 20w50 but now winter is coming maybe u can use 5w50. It will help a little. Does the lucas stuff work? It works for temp rite or permenant? Maybe i should add some to my engine too.

imported_LasenzaBoy 08-Oct-2005 10:04 PM

Lucas helps oil from breaking down and helps stop leaks. I had a 91 ef with over 300,000km and i used to change the oil every 2750kms. It never lost a drop between changes and i didn't even
use lucas at that time. I also still gave the car a fair beating. It was only a 1.5 non v-tec but look at the mileage. His engine definitely should not lose that much oil.

imported_Cablerat 08-Oct-2005 10:29 PM

If you're changing your oil less than every 5K, you're wasting your money. Oil doesn't break down that fast, especially with normal driving on a car that doesn't burn excessive oil. I've been changing the oil in my GF's car every 8-10K since 130K or so and cars now at 250K and still after 8+K the cars got over 3/4 of oil in it, which is still relatively golden in colour. The amount of money I've saved not doing it so soon probbaly pays for a good used replacement even if the damn thing blows anyways, which it won't for sure.

Get a grip on reality, your pathetic sewing machine engine doesn't require such frequent oil changes. Now my H22 on the other hand got oil changes around 5K cuz that car saw 6000+ rpm shifts regularely and the oil would breakdown sooner.

You should be checking your oil on a regular basis and making sure it looks normal. If it does, an oil change is not required.

whitesi 09-Oct-2005 12:10 AM


Originally posted by Cablerat
If you're changing your oil less than every 5K, you're wasting your money. Oil doesn't break down that fast, especially with normal driving on a car that doesn't burn excessive oil. I've been changing the oil in my GF's car every 8-10K since 130K or so and cars now at 250K and still after 8+K the cars got over 3/4 of oil in it, which is still relatively golden in colour. The amount of money I've saved not doing it so soon probbaly pays for a good used replacement even if the damn thing blows anyways, which it won't for sure.

Get a grip on reality, your pathetic sewing machine engine doesn't require such frequent oil changes. Now my H22 on the other hand got oil changes around 5K cuz that car saw 6000+ rpm shifts regularely and the oil would breakdown sooner.

You should be checking your oil on a regular basis and making sure it looks normal. If it does, an oil change is not required.

You're probably right on that, but I got life time free oil change, so I'm in the dealer every 4999km.........also if you got a new car, you're gonna wanna change in every 5k to ensure you mainintain warranty

imported_LasenzaBoy 09-Oct-2005 11:29 PM

I know i changed the oil on the xtreme side but i bought the car with high mileage and didn't wanna take any chances. What can i say, i like fresh oil. You can chill out with the sewing machine remarks. We're here to help buddy with his oil problem, not bicker about sewing machines. We all drive 4 bangers here! Everyone has their own opinions.

imported_Cablerat 10-Oct-2005 11:24 AM


Originally posted by LasenzaBoy
I know i changed the oil on the xtreme side but i bought the car with high mileage and didn't wanna take any chances. What can i say, i like fresh oil. You can chill out with the sewing machine remarks. We're here to help buddy with his oil problem, not bicker about sewing machines. We all drive 4 bangers here! Everyone has their own opinions.
You're welcome to like whatever you want, but suggesting changing your oil more frequently to a guy with a serious oil burning problem?? Requiring valve seal replacements at that mileage?

If anything I'd say almost never change your oil, just keep topping it up and once in a while replace the filter. Think before you make suggestions, because sometimes people actually listen.

I'm not trying to be mean here, I'm trying explain some very simple points. Having a small 4 banger 1.5L doesn't require such frequent oil changes, EVEN at high mileage. I'm trying to help you save money and protect the environment, because all your doing is dumping perfectly good oil.

:thumbup:

imported_LasenzaBoy 10-Oct-2005 03:23 PM

Either way, like the others and myself, the compression and leakdown test will help him best. Then he can decide where he's headed with motor.


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