imported_187Chor

it might be better if u changed it in the same amount of time that u would normal oil.. around 5000km..
but thats not why ur using it.. ur using it so u can changle ur oil less often.. in which case the properties that make it better have gone beyond thier usefulness...
you using synthetic for 10k is similar to others using regular for 5k.. (in my opinion its actually worse)
you car is not seeing any benefit.. YOU ARE

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

gimme a break.

I change my oil (and the wifes oil) in the driveway on jackstands too. Its really not that hard and takes what....15 minutes?

I agree with 187Chor.

VTEC_Thunder

I'm not only using it to go twice as far between oil changes. I'm using it because it is supierior to regular oil at 0kms AND at 5000kms. Synthetic does not loose it's abilities at 5000kms. Nor does any oil. Oil doesn't simply stop working at 5000kms. 5000kms is just a suggested time period for changing your oil. It doesn't mean thats how long all oils will last. Some newer car use semi-synthetic oils and the suggested manufacturer oil change mileage is 8000kms or more. However, Synthetics will keep doing their job longer than regular oils do.

I could use regular oil and change it every 5000kms or I could use oil that provides better lubrication/protection and lasts longer (twice as long or more). I made my choice. you make yours. Either way it doesn't matter.

Yes it may only take 15 mins to change the oil, but If I don't have to change it as often, I'm not going to.

szuberi

an acura dealer recently told me that the new TL doesnt require an oil change uptil 8-9K and when it does...the car's minder will let you know.

now what kind of oil are they putting in? i asked but all the guy said that this oil has special additives.

imported_chris_v2

What the **** are you talking about?

Your comparing oil longetivity to oil protection. THEY PROVIDE THE SAME PROTECTION. Sure synthetic oil lasts longer (big whoop, now you just have more metal particles, rust, carbon and sludge buildup in your oil and filter) but that is the only thing it does for our engines. If an engine is made for sythetic oil then okay, run synthetic because the tolerances were MADE for a certain weight synthetic and maybe the oil see's higher peak temperatures for whatever reason. But in our engines, where it was engineered to run conventional oil, why change it? Okay, so you get a few extra KM per oil change because you look at the dipstick and you see clean oil, so maybe it hasn't broken down yet, but have you torn apart the filter to check out the element inside? NO, have you seen all the particles that are being collected at the bottom of the pan? NO. You want to run synthetic, thats fine, but dont be saying it causes better protection or is better in general for your motor, because its not. Stop acting like an expert because your a weekend warrior.

imported_chris_v2

Yeah I've seen it happen and heard of it happening a few times. Blows out seals on higher mileage cars.. and even promotes more engine wear.

polska_01

lol buy watever oil you guys like watever makes u sleep better lol theres no point in arguing! valvoline full syn oil change today

imported_Kingjames1983

lets also not forget this is a civic website.... wtf is the point of giving your car syn when its more expensive and the whole point of the car is economy and longivity with civics anyways.
The arguement on here seems to be the engine last longer but lets be honest who here runs a car until it has 400k on it? not many because we swap engines. Also Honda engines last forever most of the time with conventional oil so it must be doing something right!
Its great if your engine racks up big k but you wont have a body to drive that engine around in!
Then you hear someone mention power gain.. wft is that ****? how much power do you think you are going to sqeak out? Is it worth it for a civic...... no

imported_ids748

some of you guys who need clarification should go to

www.bobistheoilguy.com

Some good explanations on that site.

VTEC_Thunder

I see this is pointless to continue this discussion because some of you either just don't get it or are just looking for a good debate.

I don't have the time to argue.

The truth is, we are all going to do we want, so as I've said over and over: Use the oil that works best for you.

imported_bananax

I have to look around to find a post about trucks(big rigs, and even some cars) that run 100k+ on a single oil change, they only change the filter every interval. When I switched to synthetic, I noticed my engine is *ALOT* quiter when its cold. but otherwise it feels the same after it gets warmed up. I'm guessing Syn oil does provide better protection for your motor,- when it's cold. that alone is a pretty good reason to use it if you're planning on keeping the car a long time.

and honestly, if you buy the oil from a dealer, like AMSOIL from the guy on the boards here, its not that much more its about $100 for enough oil to do 3 oil changes, with a filter that works out to about $35-$40 / oil change.

Q: other then the $10-15 you would spend more on a synthetic oil change, is there any dissadvantage to using it?

VTEC_Thunder

The only dissadvantage is if you have a high-mileage engine or have an oil leak. Synthetic will penetrate into tighter spaces, causing the oil leak to appear like it has gotten worse, when in fact it's the same, the difference is synthetic oil is able to leak out of it better than conventional oil. In which case you need to fix the leak, or just run regular oil.

imported_bananax

I meant other then the obvios with older engines =)

I don't find any disadvantage in running synthetic, i do find it better in the cold during start ups. my Milage has been about the same I guess, maybe it will be better in the winter vs dino oil.