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20-Sep-2007, 05:35 PM
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Thats the dumbest BS i have ever heard sythetic and conventional oil have no difference in bearing clearances!!!! its the viscosity of the oil that effects the clearance! please re-educate yourself. Synthetic oils are superior to conventional oil because of many things EXAMPLE!!!
1. Synthetic oil can withstand constant heat and a higher rate of heat for an extended amount of time due to its molecular balance of carbons.
2. Synthetic oils are either HIGHLY refined crude oil that are molecularly balanced to improve the molecular chains of hydro carbon with addition of fluids such as polyalphaolephin SP?,synthetic materials (forgetthe name), and alkylated aromatics!!! There is a rule to this also that some are completly designed molecular chains.
3. Synthetic oils are produced that molecules are made as close 2 uniform size as can be THE REASON FOR THIS!! is so they are stable under heat which unstable molecules found in CONVENTIONAL OILS !That means the unstable molecules found in conventional oil have a higher rate of oxidization and vaporization due to UNUNIFORM MOLECULES!
4. Synthetics are specially formulated that they DO NOT CONTAIN even a spec of contaminate which conventionals DO!
5. VISCOSITY is what your after with bearing clearances and flow and even oil pressure at times!
So next time you want to pretend you are educated atleast read up in a biological book or call the scientists at an oil company youll learn more!
SYNTHETICS ARE BETTER OILS no doubt about it ! We all know that or why would scientists bother creating better things?
Its also your choice as a customer to buy whatever you like! good luck guys.
1. Synthetic oil can withstand constant heat and a higher rate of heat for an extended amount of time due to its molecular balance of carbons.
2. Synthetic oils are either HIGHLY refined crude oil that are molecularly balanced to improve the molecular chains of hydro carbon with addition of fluids such as polyalphaolephin SP?,synthetic materials (forgetthe name), and alkylated aromatics!!! There is a rule to this also that some are completly designed molecular chains.
3. Synthetic oils are produced that molecules are made as close 2 uniform size as can be THE REASON FOR THIS!! is so they are stable under heat which unstable molecules found in CONVENTIONAL OILS !That means the unstable molecules found in conventional oil have a higher rate of oxidization and vaporization due to UNUNIFORM MOLECULES!
4. Synthetics are specially formulated that they DO NOT CONTAIN even a spec of contaminate which conventionals DO!
5. VISCOSITY is what your after with bearing clearances and flow and even oil pressure at times!
So next time you want to pretend you are educated atleast read up in a biological book or call the scientists at an oil company youll learn more!
SYNTHETICS ARE BETTER OILS no doubt about it ! We all know that or why would scientists bother creating better things?
Its also your choice as a customer to buy whatever you like! good luck guys.
Originally posted by 1sloweg
Synthetic oil should go in vehicles that REQUIRE synthetic oil. Synthetic oil cars run tighter bearing clearances due to the molecular structure of synthetic oil. It has smaller molecules that fit in those tight spaces. When you have motors that are meant to run on regular oil, the bearing clearances are a bit looser. Oil is only good for 5000km i dont care what kind it is. Ive pulled many motors that have run nothing but synthetic and many motors that customers have done regular oil changes and you CANNOT tell the difference. But hey, if somebody makes a prety bottle and says youll make more power and blah blah blah any rice boy here is going to get technical on what they have no clue about. So waste your money on synthetic oil if you want, but unless you own a Ferrari, corvette or any car where the oil cap tells you put synthetic in it; dont waste your money.
Synthetic oil should go in vehicles that REQUIRE synthetic oil. Synthetic oil cars run tighter bearing clearances due to the molecular structure of synthetic oil. It has smaller molecules that fit in those tight spaces. When you have motors that are meant to run on regular oil, the bearing clearances are a bit looser. Oil is only good for 5000km i dont care what kind it is. Ive pulled many motors that have run nothing but synthetic and many motors that customers have done regular oil changes and you CANNOT tell the difference. But hey, if somebody makes a prety bottle and says youll make more power and blah blah blah any rice boy here is going to get technical on what they have no clue about. So waste your money on synthetic oil if you want, but unless you own a Ferrari, corvette or any car where the oil cap tells you put synthetic in it; dont waste your money.
20-Sep-2007, 05:37 PM
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And also there is a few tests run that prove oils do change power output these tests were done on 392 small block stroker ill dig up our tests and ill show u guys. Honestly i dont think it would do much on a honda motor unless its a high horsepower application then there might be a difference.
21-Sep-2007, 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
I do ALOT of driving and I can't afford to do an oil change every month or two...so I use full synthetic and go twice as far and the oil comes out looking great at 8000 to 10,000kms. I tried it with regular oil when I first bought my car and it looked like black paint after 6000kms.
I do ALOT of driving and I can't afford to do an oil change every month or two...so I use full synthetic and go twice as far and the oil comes out looking great at 8000 to 10,000kms. I tried it with regular oil when I first bought my car and it looked like black paint after 6000kms.
oil changes (non synthetic) cost around $20 if u do it urself and around $10-15 more if u get it done for u.. i hardly find that to be unaffordable every month.... or 2!
so it looks like u spent the same amount of money in the end anyways but with the synthetic ur car uses the same oil for a longer period of time allowing it to get dirtier..
i DO use synthetic but not so that i dont have to do oil changes as often...
every 3000km is my limit
21-Sep-2007, 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by polska_01
u can use synthetic for all any clearances as its made different viscosity ratings your trying to tie me up but its not workin ej
u can use synthetic for all any clearances as its made different viscosity ratings your trying to tie me up but its not workin ej
Your obviously a drone to all those stupid f ucking ads. Wheres your 310s certification....... i didnt think so. Synthetic is thinner no matter what you ramble on on here. Put synthetic in a car with 200,000 and watch it **** oil out everywhere.
21-Sep-2007, 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by chris_v2
So then you agree synthetic is for tighter clearances?
So then you agree synthetic is for tighter clearances?
21-Sep-2007, 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by 1sloweg
this guy is an idiot chris, im going to jus stop posting here due to the fact that 90% of this site is kids who think they are mechanics and voice in their expertise
this guy is an idiot chris, im going to jus stop posting here due to the fact that 90% of this site is kids who think they are mechanics and voice in their expertise
21-Sep-2007, 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by 1sloweg
this guy is an idiot chris, im going to jus stop posting here due to the fact that 90% of this site is kids who think they are mechanics and voice in their expertise
this guy is an idiot chris, im going to jus stop posting here due to the fact that 90% of this site is kids who think they are mechanics and voice in their expertise
As long as you check your pm's once in awhile I'm fine with that
Everybodys a mechanic these days..
21-Sep-2007, 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by 1sloweg
Your obviously a drone to all those stupid f ucking ads. Wheres your 310s certification....... i didnt think so. Synthetic is thinner no matter what you ramble on on here. Put synthetic in a car with 200,000 and watch it **** oil out everywhere.
Your obviously a drone to all those stupid f ucking ads. Wheres your 310s certification....... i didnt think so. Synthetic is thinner no matter what you ramble on on here. Put synthetic in a car with 200,000 and watch it **** oil out everywhere.
PS I googled it and so far everything I found really supports chris' arguement.
21-Sep-2007, 09:21 AM
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That explains why older or higher mileage engines will "leak" more if you use synthetics. In that case...you need to fix it or just switch back to regular oil. Nobody said you HAVE TO run synthetic.
I may spend the same or more money in the long run on oil changes but I want the best for my car. I can't be bothered to do an oil change every month or two, and I do all the work on my own car. Regular oil just doesn't cut it for me. It simply does not last long enough.
I used to have an 89 GMC S15 with the crapy 2.5L 4 cyl. 5spd. I used to do the oil changes on it as well and used to just use the bulk oil they had at the GM dealership I worked at. It had all kinds of valve chatter and ticks, even just after an oil change. Every time after 5000kms the oil would come out looking very dark and thin, like black paint. One day I decided to spend the extra cash and put Mobil 1 in it. After that, almost all the valve train chatter and ticks were gone. I got better fuel mileage and it ran much smoother. After 5000kms the oil was still transparent and amber coloured. To me, thats a huge difference.
Again, NOBODY is forcing ANYBODY to use synthetics. Use what ever oil you want.
If regular oil works for you, then use it.
That explains why older or higher mileage engines will "leak" more if you use synthetics. In that case...you need to fix it or just switch back to regular oil. Nobody said you HAVE TO run synthetic.
I may spend the same or more money in the long run on oil changes but I want the best for my car. I can't be bothered to do an oil change every month or two, and I do all the work on my own car. Regular oil just doesn't cut it for me. It simply does not last long enough.
I used to have an 89 GMC S15 with the crapy 2.5L 4 cyl. 5spd. I used to do the oil changes on it as well and used to just use the bulk oil they had at the GM dealership I worked at. It had all kinds of valve chatter and ticks, even just after an oil change. Every time after 5000kms the oil would come out looking very dark and thin, like black paint. One day I decided to spend the extra cash and put Mobil 1 in it. After that, almost all the valve train chatter and ticks were gone. I got better fuel mileage and it ran much smoother. After 5000kms the oil was still transparent and amber coloured. To me, thats a huge difference.
Again, NOBODY is forcing ANYBODY to use synthetics. Use what ever oil you want.
If regular oil works for you, then use it.
21-Sep-2007, 10:46 AM
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they way i see it is, if ur gunna spend $40 on a bottle of sythetic oil that lasts 8,000-10,000kms or $20 on regular oil that lasts 5000kms, ur still getting the same mileage for your money.
sythetic - $40 = 8000-10,000kms
regular - $20 = 5000kms X2 = $40 for 10,000kms
Seems the same to me.
So if something is supposed to be better, why would oil **** out everywhere after switching to synthetic?....that doesn't seem better to me....lol
I can do a test, where one car has synthetic and one has regular oil and i can make the one with regular oil last twice as long, that'd be a peice of cake.
Like that commercial where they do that test.
But the thing is, they are going against the manufacturers recommendations, they even say you're supposed to change the oil after 5000kms, so their tests are bogus. B/c you can't do a continuous WOT test to see which one lasts longer, b/c you aren't changing the oil after 5000kms like the manufacturer recommends, and if you don't do what the manufacturer recommends, then you get what you deserve. So that test is ghey and doesn't prove anything other than ur an idiot if you don't change your oil every 3 months or 5000kms.
Besides, who drives their cars at WOT for hours at a time?....not even race car drivers, they've gotta let off the gas to go around corners and to break, so don't even try to make that comparison.
But at the end of the day, if a $50 oil change will make you feel good about yourself, well then feel free to do so, but i'm still gunna use my regular oil in my boosted b16 and change it regularly.
sythetic - $40 = 8000-10,000kms
regular - $20 = 5000kms X2 = $40 for 10,000kms
Seems the same to me.
So if something is supposed to be better, why would oil **** out everywhere after switching to synthetic?....that doesn't seem better to me....lol
I can do a test, where one car has synthetic and one has regular oil and i can make the one with regular oil last twice as long, that'd be a peice of cake.
Like that commercial where they do that test.
But the thing is, they are going against the manufacturers recommendations, they even say you're supposed to change the oil after 5000kms, so their tests are bogus. B/c you can't do a continuous WOT test to see which one lasts longer, b/c you aren't changing the oil after 5000kms like the manufacturer recommends, and if you don't do what the manufacturer recommends, then you get what you deserve. So that test is ghey and doesn't prove anything other than ur an idiot if you don't change your oil every 3 months or 5000kms.
Besides, who drives their cars at WOT for hours at a time?....not even race car drivers, they've gotta let off the gas to go around corners and to break, so don't even try to make that comparison.
But at the end of the day, if a $50 oil change will make you feel good about yourself, well then feel free to do so, but i'm still gunna use my regular oil in my boosted b16 and change it regularly.
21-Sep-2007, 11:02 AM
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The thing is... if an engine lasts considerably longer on synthetic oil when you pound the **** out of it, don't you think it would also provide your engine with better protection than regular oil even during normal driving?
The reason synthetic oil leaks more in an engine that already has leaks(which should be fixed anyways) is because synthetic penatrates into smaller spaces better to provide better coverage and protection. So even though it may leak more, the leak hasn't actually gotten worse.
It's a pain to change the oil every month and a half without a hoist. So I use full synthetic to go longer between oil changes and I also believe it is better for most modern engines. Especially higher-strung, higher revving engines.
I will say it one more time: use what ever oil works best for you.
The reason synthetic oil leaks more in an engine that already has leaks(which should be fixed anyways) is because synthetic penatrates into smaller spaces better to provide better coverage and protection. So even though it may leak more, the leak hasn't actually gotten worse.
It's a pain to change the oil every month and a half without a hoist. So I use full synthetic to go longer between oil changes and I also believe it is better for most modern engines. Especially higher-strung, higher revving engines.
I will say it one more time: use what ever oil works best for you.
