neilff

okay, im looking for the best quality ride out of my suspension setup, and at the same time, the least amount of money.

im currently riding on max speed coilovers with stock struts.

im thinking of replacing the struts with KYB AGX Gas shocks (unless someone can tell me cheaper ones) and using H&R Race Springs or Sport springs.

Will I need a camber kit with this setup?
Somebody offered me $200 for my coilovers when I remove them, should I ask for higher?
I care more about ride quality than ride height, Sport or Race springs??

What else should I do as far as handling goes? sway bars, strut bars, etc.. ?

thanks guys...

edit: also, about the ride height issue... if I do go ballsy, get my suspension, body work, interior & engine done this summer, I doubt the car will see winter, so ride height isnt an issue come winter.

bbarbulo

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Ummm... if you get $200 for those POS coilovers, just laugh all the way to the bank and hi-five strangers

the best quality ride out of my suspension

Interesting how you put this... if you don't care about being lowered for the look, you will by far have the best results in terms of handling using GS-R springs on KYB AGX shocks. Also use a GSR front sway bar and an aftermarket rear like a Progress, and you'll love it. If you are stuck on wanting to lower your car for the look then buy Progress springs. As far as Eibach, you have to know what you are buying... you are buying a progressive rate spring that is soft at first but quickly stiffens... so you get a more bouncy ride. Just know what you are getting into. How do you expect to corner with this... what kind of ride you you want, and what is your budget?? Do you HAVE to be lowered?

B16A_SiR

well form what i know eibach springs arn't that great cuz i am using them right now and the have sagged alot from when i first had them. the set-up i have is yellow konis with groundcontrol coil-overs adn they were amazing for the first 1 yr and a bit but now i want new spings but this is a little pricey. as far as sway bars and stuff ya like bbarbulo said gsr sway's aren't bad or maybe even sir's since they should fit perfect but if ur also going fro handling i would throw in some front srut bars as well generic ones are fine to. u can pick those up for unnder 100 at p-mall well that my 2 cents i hope we helped u

bbarbulo

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B16A_SiR, my 2nd or 3rd susp setup was Ground Control. I didn't find that they sagged at all... perhaps your adj perch has loosened... have you removed them for instpection... measure the height of an uncompressed spring, and if it's out of range, claim warranty... Eibach comes with lifetime warranty. I was just saying that they provide the best handling since they are soft at first so they absorb little cracks in the pavement well, and they get progressively harder so they handle large undulations too. But Progress is by far the best spring I've seen. Not that popular in Canada, but in terms of race results, these guys got it.

imported_loudsubz

Man Im glad I sold my R1 coilovers and bought my H&R Sports on here for $175. I didn't even want to imagine how my ride woul dbe, but after reading about some people who have coilovers on stock shocks and how bouncy I should have just stuck to a better spring in the first place.

B16A_SiR

well the springs don't say eibach on them instead they say koni cuz i got the ground control kit from koni and they com with the red spring that say koni and the coil over with the fully adjustable shocks but i dunno if its cuz of my winter tires or they really r sagging on me lol so i will find out when i put my rims back on when this stupid weater gets better

neilff

how much should i be looking at for the GSR front sway bar setup? its a custom job isnt it? not just bolt on?

also, would gsr springs cost more or less than the H&R's?

how would the H&R's suit me as far as ride quality?

bbarbulo

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H&R sport are a good spring all around. GSRs you can pick up for under $100, usually like $50-60... on various boards.... even junkers sell them cheap cuz it's not really a replacement item. As for the sway bars, ryanhook just did a rear sway on his 5th gen, ask him... the front, you will need LCAs and the sway bar from an integra... cheap junkyard items. I have SiR stuff all under my car personally, cuz I figured a 2000 SiR is newer than my car, and most likely newer than any GS-R stuff I'll find at junk yards. Soo... I went the SiR route, but I also have a 6th gen ... 5th gens are better equipped to accept Integra parts.

1.8 HB

Since most people like small drops, something in the range of 1.5 - 1.8 i'd strongly suggest getting H&R / Neuspeed Sport springs. I had them on my 5th gen hatchback and the ride was totally stock as far as feel/comfort and at the turns you could feel it was stiffer, body roll wasn't as great, i did have gsr sway bars all around though. Umm i personally don't like springs because none give me the ride height i want and i personally would go for full coilovers, which are kind of costly.

Try to stay from eibach springs. Pro kit, i don't know what the point of lowering your car "supposedly 1.25"" The car won't look lowered, so it's just a waste of money, and as far as performance, they aren't all that performance oriented either. The eibach sportline is the worst set of springs i've seen. There have been a few examples when i've seen different civics, with sportlines all with uneven drops, usually the rear sags, and sits lower and the driver's side is lower. Complete BS.

bbarbulo

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I hate how quickly the hate spreads for a particular product... one day everyone is saying buy Eibach, a week later, everyone is saying Eibach is garbage... well try it and see. A single product will not work for everyone. Like on my Civic I have H&R coilovers, but they are not for everyone... even I don't like to drive the car every day to work. On my Saturn, I wanna get Pro-Kits or H&R sports cuz I don't wanna look dropped... I want competent cornering and still lots of wheel travel cuz that car HAS to be daily driven... I don't need two occasional cars... I need one daily and one fun car. If the car didn't have such high mileage I wouldn't even bother replacing the springs at all... I'm just doing it cuz of the high mileage.

1.8 HB

I never said Eibach was good in the first place, in fact i never give a bad review on a product that doesn't deserve it. Eibach though is a different case scenario. I am sure that there are people who will tell me i am wrong, because they have them, and their grandpa's uncle's sister cousin in law has them and they are great. Frankly, i DON'T care, i am trying to help out a noob so he doesn't regret his purchase.

93 si hatch = rear sits too low, in fact most hatches have that, and coupes are notorious for this, but this is on my friend's car, he can vouch for the crap springs

00 sir, the back sits way too low and the driver's side is lower by about half an an inch from the passanger.

The only good thing about eibach is that you can have them make you springs with custom spring rates, the only possible good purchase you could make. IMO, i wouldn't buy from them in the first place. You don't have to like what i am telling you, or agree. As mentioned above, my answers aren't written to please moderators.

B16A_SiR

well i have to disagree with u mine sir isn't like the way u say it is but they all have even sag LOL

imported_bigDrew

what about apex-i lowering springs.. are those good i have a completely stock car..

neilff

well, ive decided im gonna go with a lowered look
cause, like a few of my friends said, it'll help resell value (some little ricer boy would much rather have low profile than 4x4)

so, now i need to know, for daily driver, would H&R Race springs, or Neuspeed springs do me better?

btw, does anyone have hookups or know any places that can get quality springs and shocks for decent prices? My bro's friend can get my Neuspeeds, but not H&R's.. aswell, I can only get Koni's and not KYB's.. Any help is great guys...

bbarbulo

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Apex-i lowering springs are okay, but not really worth the purchase... speed shops push them cuz they are easy to become a distributor for, but in reality, their springs are nothing special. IMO, don't buy them... Progress is a far better find. Through, with a car that old, you should consider a set of shocks to go with your purchase.

neilff - Race springs are not for most ppl... roads are not smooth like a race track, you are not a race driver, and your car is not a race car... really, I don't think they are very suitable for the street. However, that being said, because you are not a race driver, odds are you will never be able to tell the difference in handling from one spring to another lowering spring... And lowering the car does not increase the value at all... I went to a dealer to check up on something, and I was checking out some car... a salesman walked up and assuming I'm some ricer, he was like "This one's not for sale, but dude, I got this hatchback DX, it's got a wicked system, it's slammed, got an exhaust...." I and walked away... and most ppl will be like that as well....you don't want that. Don't mod your car cuz you think it'll increase the value... ask anyone who's gone past the point of no return, and those who haven't - they always go back to stock for the sale. Anyways... about springs, you really have to take a ride in pps cars that have the setup you desire, like get in touch with loudsubz... he's got springs he'll be putting on. You can try with him how the ride is, then decide. I can't tell you what you are gonna like. I can just tell you what will actually handle better, but whether you like it is up to your ***-dyno LOL

Chinese Buffet

Are you looking for the super slammed look but want some sort of a decent ride quality? Go with KONI Yellow / H&R Stage 3 Race Springs. If you set the perch on the shocks to the lowest you'l probably get around a 2.8F and 2.5R drop. If you go that low you must have good shocks!

I have the KONI Yellow / H&R Race Springs setup. Instead of the lowest perch setting on the front shocks I have it set to the highest. The lower you go the faster your CV joint dies (tip learned from bbarbulo!). I find that around corners there is very little roll compared to stocks (obviously). When I had my front shocks set to the lowest (which is a bad thing), it seriously felt like driving a go-kart going around corners.

I just got home from my midnight shift a few mins ago and there's a HUGE *** snow storm out there... I roll through snow no probs. However if the snow on the road is high enough you will feel the snow scrape under your car but thick snow is not going to immoblize (sp) you unless its over a foot or something then you're stuck out of luck. Under normal conditions the car is not bouncy at all (thanks to good shocks) unless you really go over roads that has a big dips. And most importantly WATCH out for pot holes.


- CB

1.8 HB

I think H&R race lower more than Neuspeed Race, i can't remember where i read that or if i recall it correctly, but if memory serves me right, what i said is right.

Race springs are fine for daily driving as long as they are mated with good aftermarket shocks. You will have to be a lot more careful with your car. I think it's worth it for the look, call me a ricer but it's one thing i love about a car, just a dumped look. And if you ever want to go to the track, just raise the car by adjusting the perch setting (if you go with koni yellows).

To be honest, being dumped isn't practical for the street, especially if you think your cornering will be crazy with a lower drop, which it won't. I don't race my car around the turns on the streets that's why i ride low and i don't care.

As far as being dumped wearing out our CVs faster, that's true but not to the point wher you can't dump your car.

My old hatchback was dumped all year round for a year and a half, NEVER had a problem with cv's or anything besides bottoming out sometimes. And i don't mean 2.5 dumped, i mean 4 inch dumpage at some points.

PolskiSi

HOLY ****!
Sweet car man! I saw pics of that awhile back on ClubSi.
Are you "CivicStylez" on ClubSi?

B16A_SiR

ya ur car looks sick
my car like is said is equipt with yellow koni and ground control coil overs

1.8 HB

Yes, that would be me. That car is long ago sold, i built another hatch over the winter, but it was totalled last friday...so now it's the bus.