neilff

my d16z6 engine burns oil, and i need a replacement.. ive been looking around for various ideas, because id really like to come out of this problem with something better, and not just the same thing with less problems..

so im thinking this:
a mini me setup or rebuild -- only cause i dont have a lot of cash, and its my car, and engine swap

now, i can go and get a d15b7 bottom end, strap on my d16z6 head, get a new headgasket and there i go.

but im thinking one of four ways:

- purchase the d15b7 bottom end (+CR), a d16y8 head gasket (+CR -- i need a new one also), slap on my d16z6 head (VTec +CR), use the rest of my old engine (intake manifold, distrubutor, etc.), and run that.

- purchase the d15b7 bottom end, d16y8 gasket, purchase ZC pistons & connecting rods (get them pressed, new rings, and cylinder honing by a shop), my d16z6 head, and rest of my engine and run that

- purchase ZC Pistons & Rods (pressed, rings, etc.) put them into my old d16z6 block (+Displacement), use my head, and rest of my engine, and possibly some small bolts ons (CAI, possibly exhaust)

- Rebuild my d16z6 or replace (whichever is cheaper), fix the oil burning problems, put on some bolt ons and run the sh*t out of it.

can some people gimme some insight? what would be the best setup? #3 ive never heard of, so i dunno if it would even work, but it does sound like the best if I were too. Also, i know there is much more involved if i were to do a mini me (probably need adjustable gear, etc.). Also, Im not sure what is involved in a rebuild, if someone could tell me, id really appreciate it. all i know is a mechanic told me id be better off to replace the oil burning engine (i got quoted @ $1400)

I have a budget of $2000, and so far, I can replace the whole engine for $1400.. so hopefully I can aim either lower than that, or a little higher with better performance.. any help is great guys!

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

I'd rebuild or go to a B18B.... dont' buy another D series, that's a waste of money. Just hook that isht up with a high perf rebuild or just drop in a low mileage B18B.

neilff

b18b = 2nd gen ls integra engine right?

how much would it pull in the 1/4

also, you mentioned performance rebuild.. fill me in
im a newbie to engines

imported_kickz

You might want to do a high compression D16z6. It's actually a very potent setup. You might want to do a port and polish on the head with a more aggressive cam. For sure.. it'll be more than quick enough and quite comparable to a B18B swap.

donesixer

The least expensive thing to do would be just a straight replacement. Shouldn't cost $1400 though.
The next cheapest would be the D15 w/VTEC head. You might want to have the valve seals replaced, that is most likely where the smoke is coming from.
You can't put ZC rods into the D15, wrong length. If you want the ZC pistons, use VX rods.
The mini-me will not have timing issues, therefore no need for the cam gear. Must use VX pulley and timing belt though.
Finally, at the risk of not selling you my D15 , my preference would be to build your engine. ZC pistons, B18 rods, replace valve seals, some porting...very sweet engine. The bills could be a little more than you want to spend if you get someone else to do the work though.

Shameless plug -> I also have a B18 with P30 pistons and some headwork if you go that route as well.

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

These guys got you covered... just one note...

if you spend the money on a replacement... what a waste... you still have a xxx,xxx km engine. If you rebuild what you have with that money, you have almost a brand new engine.

B18B is more torquey, so its nicer to drive on the street and will turn in low 15 slips more than likely quite easily... maybe high 14.9s but I doubt it... a Type R swap does low 14s, GSR swap does mid 14s... so low 15s is a reasonable expectation for a fresh B18B.

neilff

whats involved in a rebuild? and how much would I be looking at?

that $1400 for replacement includes everything
labour, engine, and etc. parts.

donesixer

I really don't know what it would cost for labour.
If memory serves, the cost of parts are:
pistons: $50 x 4
rings: $30 x 4 cylinders
Head gasket: $100
Top end gasket kit: $100
Bottom end bearings: $60 x 4 <- may not be needed, only if out of spec
Timing belt: $75
Water pump: ??

Then if you pay a dude to do it, his time is in there as well.
Those are only ball park prices off the top of my head.
Give Honda a call.

Mini-Me:
bottom end - $250
Head gasket - $100
Timing belt - $75
Pulley - ??$50??
New valve seals for your head - $3.00 x 16 (I think...call Honda)

B18 swap:
Realistically, $1500-$2000. Then you have a stock, torquey engine.
If you do the work yourself, you will save huge $$$.

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

Good labour is expensive..... it takes great skill and time to build a good engine. But taking extra time of yours is free and can yield excellent results if you can follow instructions. I recommend looking for a good engine building handbook on amazon or chapters. They have a few good Honda books.

donesixer

OK, I was just on the d-series board...I have one question...
How many kms on your engine?
You said on there that you had oil in your coolnt?!
If the engine has less than 200km, throw a new head gasket in there and throw your money at other things...
My opinion...

neilff

ya, there is oil in the coolant..
that is what a mechanic told me before

would headgasket fix this issue and my oil burning?

the engine have 180k on it btw

donesixer

You might try the headgasket, with 180km it has more to go. This is assuming you have maintained it decently.
Do a compression test. Easy to do. If that comes up OK, you can probably get another 50k out of it.
Dammit!! Who's gonna buy that D15 now?

neilff

well, ive only owned the engine for like 3,000 km
and i didnt cause the headgasket problem
so im doubting it was taken care of

i know how to perform a compression test (only read a guide)
but how hard is it to actually do?
like i said, im a newbie to engines...

neilff

edit: n/m, quick google search resulted in it.

damn, its easier than i though.. lol