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Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by mrchaos
well we know we have no spray, remember i pulled the rail already
yes but you have to figure out if it's no spray from injectors not working or from no signal ... you have to use a tool that will let you see the pulses of the injectors....
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Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
like I said, it's close to the 1/2 circle thingy that the throttle cable is on... one of the arms on it will hit a switch when it's WOT!
built into TPS?? i dont see anything there!
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Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:51 PM
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hmmmm.... built into TPS, that's a possibility. Check voltage output or resistance of TPS, whatever you prefer.
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Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:56 PM
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it's the TAS Throttle angle sensor on the diagram you posted... it's a standard potentiometer.... 3 wires out green/white yellow/white should have the total resistance measured across them... then from green white to red/blue should be 1 resistance and from red/blue to yellow/white should be a another resistance ./.. add the last 2 resistance measurements together you should get the same resistance as measurement one.

do this for various throttle angles
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do you have the FSM, Haynes or Chilton? There is a section that describes what the ECU looks for under starting conditions. It's either in the fuel injection section at the beginning or in the driveability and emissions section at the beginning. It'll describe what the ECU looks for in order to start. Cuz it may be looking for a crank signal from the crank position sensor in the distributor too.... read up on it for now. I'm going to the gym... be back tomorrow
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Old 06-Apr-2004, 05:43 PM
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seems that the cas (crank angle sensor) is at fault, looks like a new dizzy for me.

but before i go nuts, with a shot cas will i still get spark?
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Old 06-Apr-2004, 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by gatherer
it's the TAS Throttle angle sensor on the diagram you posted... it's a standard potentiometer.... 3 wires out green/white yellow/white should have the total resistance measured across them... then from green white to red/blue should be 1 resistance and from red/blue to yellow/white should be a another resistance ./.. add the last 2 resistance measurements together you should get the same resistance as measurement one.

do this for various throttle angles
do i have to back check this or can i do it with with the connetor disconnected?
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 08:36 AM
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so you found the problem

as for the TPS, you can do it unplugged and measure the resistance.
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
so you found the problem

as for the TPS, you can do it unplugged and measure the resistance.
picking up a dizzy and an ecu tonight from a buddy, gonna "borrow" them so i can test
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 09:37 AM
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you should still get spark with a shot CAS...

however since the ECU doesn't now where the engine is at it doesn't know which valve is open to spray fuel into with might prevent the fuel from being sprayed at all.....
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 09:41 AM
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not exactly sure (since that picture you posted doesn't have a high enough resolution but it looks like the CAS is another inductor sensor (which makes sense for a magnetic pickup) anyways again check the inductance not the resistance.
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 09:59 AM
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i did the test outlined in my haynes manual, according to that shes shot. cas is responsible for injector timing right?? which would make sense for no fuel.
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 10:00 AM
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I'd think so since the ECU needs to know when the intake valve is open so that it shoots the fuel at the right time ...

if you did the test as outlined in the haynes then thats cool.... best way to do it
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 10:05 AM
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i will get back to you tomorrow after i get a chance to put in new dizzy

thanks for all the help bb & gatherer
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 10:10 AM
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your welcome ....

(this is a very very good example of how trouble shooting should be done on this board.)
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
The CPS tells the ECU that the engine is turning over and trying to start. Or similar... I'm not 100% on how it works on your car. For example, on my Saturn, the CPS tells the ECU to start the ignition coil firing (cuz I have a distributorless ignition). So double check what it is for your car specifically.
guess the CPS tells your ECU when to fire the injectors.
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by gatherer
your welcome ....

(this is a very very good example of how trouble shooting should be done on this board.)
it helps that i had the right information and your guys know your ****

most times, ppl just say my car wont start whats wrong?? well there could be 11ty million things wrong in that case
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by mrchaos


it helps that i had the right information and your guys know your ****

most times, ppl just say my car wont start whats wrong?? well there could be 11ty million things wrong in that case
yes what helps the most is that you actually tested stuff and tried the suggestions and looked at the parts that we listed.... and then reported back.... so many peopel just post up too little information and when tests are suggested they don't try to test the parts indicated...

anyways I hope this sorts it all out for you now
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Old 07-Apr-2004, 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by mrchaos


it helps that i had the right information and your guys know your ****

most times, ppl just say my car wont start whats wrong?? well there could be 11ty million things wrong in that case
haha, yes sir!! and ppl wonder why they get no replies sometimes

everything is hard to do when you are unwilling to bust out the tools and DO IT DO IT

NICE WORK!!
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bb you will enjoy this

did a compression test....

Cylinder #1 - 110
Cylinder #2 - 90
Cylinder #3 - 90
Cylinder #4 - 50

NOW THATS A PROBLEM!!

BHG or valve not sealing...either way red90dx and I are doing a head swap next week.
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